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Re:hacking

Posted: Sat May 31, 2003 1:01 am
by sonneveld
Actually, I don't know how to write assembly but I do know how to read it and convert it to C :)

Reading assembler is slightly easier than writing it I think. The code is there and you hopefully can assume it works. You don't have to worry about the limits or what data the instruction can only work with.

- Ncik

Re:hacking

Posted: Sat May 31, 2003 1:06 am
by Brian_Provinciano
Do you know any assemblies other than x86 ASM? I only really know x86 and 6502 ASM very well, but can read virtually 100% others as a result, since they are usually similar enough to either the 65x or the x86.

Re:hacking

Posted: Sat May 31, 2003 5:14 am
by Omer Mor
Thanks Oliver! I never heard of HackNULL before, and I took the challenge - It was very easy and I completed all stages in less than 30 minutes...
You can see my name (Omer) in the point list...

Omer.
P.S. if u need help in any stage just let me know..

Re:hacking

Posted: Sat May 31, 2003 5:29 am
by Joey
:'( im not worthy. hey i was just curious. i didnt know you learn it from learning languages. once i learn c++ then maybe i will be able to do it on my own?

Re:hacking

Posted: Sat May 31, 2003 10:24 am
by slacker
Brian Provinciano wrote: Well, really, IMO, anyone who asks how to hack is not worthy of hacking! It's true, if you want to break into systems, you learn everything you can about coding, unix, networks, sockets/ports, etc. You learn all that legit. Then when you're a pro legit, you can use your knowledge for evil!

It's just like reverse enginerring/disassembling. You don't learn to disassemble! You learn to write in assembly! Then, you will know how to disassemble!
i agree

Re:hacking

Posted: Sat May 31, 2003 2:38 pm
by AGI1122
Joey wrote: :'( im not worthy. hey i was just curious. i didnt know you learn it from learning languages. once i learn c++ then maybe i will be able to do it on my own?
Yeah but you also have to learn how the net works, and it might be wise to learn how php, perl, and asp work because they are used commonly on the net.

Re:hacking

Posted: Sat May 31, 2003 9:08 pm
by sonneveld
Brian Provinciano wrote: Do you know any assemblies other than x86 ASM? I only really know x86 and 6502 ASM very well, but can read virtually 100% others as a result, since they are usually similar enough to either the 65x or the x86.
Actually, I'm forgetting about the programming for the HC11 cpu i did for an engineering class but that was just for simple assembler tricks so I didn't really count it.

So I guess i can program in assembler :) but RISC has a lot less instructions, there's like an instruction for everything in the x86 set.

- Nick

Re:hacking

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 7:01 am
by Eero Ränik
Thanks Oliver! I never heard of HackNULL before, and I took the challenge - It was very easy and I completed all stages in less than 30 minutes...
You can see my name (Omer) in the point list...
It took me a bit more, about 45 minutes, I was little mislead in "HackNULL browser" challenge... Others were too easy... You can see my name in point list too, 8 entries before Omer's...
Do you know any assemblies other than x86 ASM? I only really know x86 and 6502 ASM very well, but can read virtually 100% others as a result, since they are usually similar enough to either the 65x or the x86.
Well, I know only x86 assembly and certainly not so well as Brian, but I do...

Re:hacking

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 7:21 pm
by Tux
I KNOW HOW TO HACK. I hacked a bunch of things. I hacked my cat, the tree in the backyard, etc.

(Animal lovers, no animals were hurt in this skit ;D)

Seriously, you are asking on being an ethical hacker.
Or you may be one of those script kiddies. But, companies pay lots of many for ethical hackers. They hack to prevent hacking FYI. The problem is, an ethical hacker is not trusted because they can find a fault in a company's system and sell it to an enemy company or other hackers.

Code is data and data is code.

Re:hacking

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:09 pm
by sonneveld
Tux wrote:The problem is, an ethical hacker is not trusted because they can find a fault in a company's system and sell it to an enemy company or other hackers.
This is crap.. how is this different from somebody knowing the administrator password and giving it out or working on a project and selling the information to competitors?

Just because you can find faults in somebody's system doesn't automatically mean you're only looking out for yourself.

- Nick

Re:hacking

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 3:33 pm
by Tux
That's the thing, but sometimes companies hire an ethical hacker. So if the company doesn't make a correct contract or has a loop hole in it, the ethical hacker can hack the company legally because he was hired, and is allowed to hack them.

Re:hacking

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 8:21 am
by Robert Matjus
Well, i know some about hacking and hackstuff, but... ;D
illegaly stuff anywhere :)

Re:hacking

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:05 pm
by newbiee
I think there is lot of Misconception about a *HACKING* let me clear some of them, i gt this from some faq

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There is nothing wrong with HACKING or being a HACKER.
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What you must understand is that TRESPASSING, MALICE, BREAKING AND
ENTERING and DECEPTION have absolutely nothing to do with HACKING.

TRESPASSING: The act of unlawfully entering or damaging property or
the rights of another. Logging into or accessing someone else's
computer (property) without their consent.

MALICE: A desire to harm others or to see others suffer; extreme ill
will or spite.

BREAKING AND ENTERING: The act of entering property without permission
by way of the act or force through picking or breaking a lock; guessing
a computer account password or other methods of trespass.

DECEPTION: The act of altering another's perception of the truth by
taking advantage of their trust for personal gain and without concern
for the consequences.

Re:hacking

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:08 pm
by newbiee
I forgt to copy the main part, sorry
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HACKING is an educational process of working through a problem
with limited knowledge to arrive at a solution which improves the
individual's understanding of the problem.

The word HACK (as techie JARGON) originated with the MIT Tech Model
RailRoad Club (TMRC) in the 1950's. Members of the club would call
their clever modifications to electronic switching relays 'hacks'.
When the TX-0 and PDP-1 machines were introduced, the TMRC members
began using their jargon to describe what they were doing with the
computers. This went on for years as new machines such as the PDP-6
and later the PDP-10 were introduced.

A HACK is a solution that has seemingly magical properties. "Its not
suppose to work, but I HACKed it into working."

Re:hacking

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:14 pm
by newbiee
by the way anybody noticed my IP, i m from INDIA ;)