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Eurovision??

Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 10:23 pm
by Ozguxxx
Check this video out (hope it is ok to give out this link)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 96&q=lordi
these guys won eurovision this year, in my country (Turkey, namely) people are debating about singing the eurovision song in english, well, obviously it works haha ;D.. what the heck is this? These guys look like 4-5 orcs playing guitar and singing, its like a comedy movie. The part where the guy had his wings opened made me "wt* is going on here??".. In addition to that, I think music really really sucked.. How could they win eurovision? Is there anybody from Finland to comment on this?

It is most certain that eurovision has lost its track... I wont get excited about it anymore :P, seriously..

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:37 am
by bubach
Most songs sucked, including lordi's. I liked the song from belgium (iirc), but it didn't even make it to the finals.. :o

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:47 am
by Solar
If you don't like Hard Rock / Heavy Metal, you wouldn't like that song. If you like the style, the song wasn't that bad.

And seriously, ESC isn't won by the best song, or only very seldom. The former Soviet republics vote for each other, and former Yugoslavia republics vote for each other. If you aren't from one of those, your chances of winning are slim already.

Then comes a group that is so different that the news media all over Europe write about them beforehand, so many people stay up late to watch what the ruckus is about, vote for them for sheer "weirdness factor", and because so few people actually stay up until 23:00 to take a silly phone vote on silly songs, having been talked about beforehand wins you the contest. That's how it works.

Seriously. Latvia, with the ridiculous "We are the winners", ranking 5th with 170 points? That sorry performance "Moja stikla" from Croatia (that girl looked like you could go for a round of heavy drinking with her, but not like dancing in a dress and singing about high heels), reaping in 56 points, whereas one of the few real talents in the competition, the girl from Denmark, gets a measly 26 points, even less than Ralph Siegel's latest atrocity (Switzerland)?

The whole thing stinks. It was a dead event fifteen years ago, but nobody had the guts to pull the plug. If you complain about the looks of Lordi, you just confirm that this isn't about songs anymore - and from the musical standpoint, Lordi wasn't any worse than the rest of the bunch.

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:34 am
by distantvoices
Am I lucky, sweet gosh a'mighty, that I care zilch about that eurovision stuff.

So, the worst headaches I am spared of as it looks like ;-)

stay safe!

ps: well, I admit. I'm more busy with maths & electronics these days. analysis of electronic circuits with complex numbers & Fourier analysis & differential equations make me really tired, so I have no hankering for gawking into the goggle box. (besides I don't own one, so what the heck)

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:38 am
by JoeKayzA
beyond infinity wrote: ... (besides I don't own one, so what the heck)
Not really a loss, especially in the last year austria's television programs were [german] "zum vagessn" [/german]. ;)

About the song contest: I didn't watch it, but I knew the band Lordi before and I like their sound quite a lot. I share Solar's opinion though that the song contest has nothing to do anymore with musical profession .....

cheers Joe

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:57 am
by Solar
Quoting myself as of Saturday evening, while the votes were announced:

"I think those eastern countries block-voting is somehow showing which countries in Europe are 'mature', and which are still in the 'toddler' stage..."

Then came Germany - 12 points for Turkey:

"...and which are mature, but host real large kindergartens..."

8)

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:28 am
by bubach
I don't mind hard rock or their looks, but the lyrics: "Hard Rock Hallelujah..." ? Yuck...

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:54 am
by Ozguxxx
haha, I know, well Im not saying Turkey should have won, in fact I know that our song sucked big.. reason y there is block-voting from germany for Turkey is the high turkish population in germany I guess, I mean it is the same every year, eheh, so its not about Germany, right?.. btw song contest is spoiled for some long amount of time, that is true, but I could not believe that it would come to that point.. :'(

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 5:21 am
by Solar
bubach wrote: I don't mind hard rock or their looks, but the lyrics: "Hard Rock Hallelujah..." ? Yuck...
It has probably lost much in the translation Finnish - German - English, but according to a German news site, the lyrics (aside from the Chorus) were:

"The saints are stricken / in this night of sinners / lost are the lambs / without guiding light / the real believers / will be salvaged / brothers and sisters / stay strong in your faith."

Again, that's not the worst lyrics in the contest by far...

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 7:07 am
by Solar
Featured on spiegel.de, a major German online newssite:
They just want to play

The Grand Prix victory by Lordi sends shockwaves through Europe's music scenery. Have the Europeans gone collectively mad? Don't they like the ballad lard anymore? The Finish monsters have proven: Hard Rock has reached mainstream for good.

There it was again, the ugly grimace of Heavy Metal. And it shocked the most shockingly. Lordi, the Finish rockers in the funny haunted-house costumes, had not even played a note at the Eurovision Song Contest, when already waves of outrage rolled through Europe. Grand Prix fossil Nicole ranted in a German yellow-press newspaper about "nauseating horror masks", culture pessimists got into a flap, and in Greece conservative groups threatened to sue the organizers of the Grand Prix should they not forbid Lordi to take stage. The Finns, so they argued, "cultivate satanism".

That leaves the question whether one could cultivate satanism, and if yes, what real satanist would really step onto the same stage as singing meringues from Norway, disco-pop nudists from Ukraine or folklore groups from the Balkans.

The biggest surprise of the evening was, however, that a full thirty years after the first appearances of Kiss and Alice Cooper a rock band could trigger such an outrage, just because they take stage in horror outfits and then - well, did what? Nothing. Lordi didn't bite off some small animal's head, didn't stake baby dolls, and didn't even try verbally to give themselves the touch of weekend satanists, let alone real ones.

In an interview, singer Tim Putaansuu aka "Lordi" called the repeated reproaches of satanism "complete bull". Who ever bothered to look at the internet homepage of the band couldn't help but believe the man. Not only because the band has recorded a song "Devil is a Loser".

[...]

The complete outfit - some might call it "whole art", more prosaic minds "corporate identity" - cries: Irony! This gets even clearer if you judge Lordi against the background of their music genre: Within the musical brutality of Heavy Metal, especially the Finnish brand, Lordi is to be placed on the shallow-melodious border. On the other end there are bands that are about as far away from the Grand Prix winners as the Croatian folk-dance cheerleader Severina. "For many young metal fans in Finnland we're actually pop", complained Lordi singer Putaansuu in an interview with "Laut.de".

Any insider recognizes at first glance that the appearance of the masked is to be understood as tongue-in-cheek hommage to aged shockrockers like Alice Cooper, Kiss and Wasp - muscally as pictorially. But for 30 years, Heavy Metal has got a problem: The civil criticism considers it and its actors to be simply too stupid for irony. That's why it always falls for rather simply disguised provocations by musicians like Slipknot, Marilyn Manson or - especially in Germany - Rammstein.

At this point, one almost doesn't want to repeat that Heavy Metal is an umbrella term for a genre that unites countless extremly different currents, knows virtuosic musicians and thematic depths that are alien to most other areas of popular music.

Facing the martialic show of bands like Lordi, the hysterics like to forget one thing: they only want to play. And that, Lordi does surprisingly well. You don't have to be a friend of simply-woven, straightforward hardrock to realize that the Finns have mastered their genre perfectly, and in Athens, delivered a highly professional stage show. That is much more than could be said for many contestants this year, even with one eye closed.

Still, prior to the Lordi appearance, the German Grand Prix commentator didn't stop himself from recommending children and sensitive minds to close their eyes or switch off the television. You had to watch primarily folk song contests the last few years to believe you could scare the TV kids of today with five rubber masks.

Not that the Grand Prix this year wasn't something to be scared of. You just have to think of the 70'ies disco gig of Sibel T?z?n, the peroxide blonde Cher decal from Turkey. Or the appearance of LT United from Lithuania, who in their stadium redneck song declared themselves to be "the winners of Eurovision" [...]

On the other side, you have to be thankful for these song artists - for showing us who really is the undead. And for giving the European audience a chance to show maturity. If anything could have left you speechless in this Grand Prix, it was the power of judgement of the audience. They understood the Lordi appearance as what it was: First class entertainment, nothing less, but also nothing more. Sometimes, the people are better educated than many feature writers.

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 7:38 am
by bubach
"Finnish - German - English"
why would it be translated to german first?

btw: why is everything being said on english _and_ french? all other countrys have their own commentator talking and translating in realtime afaik.

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 7:44 am
by Kon-Tiki
Cause the French can't speak English, and can't find a translator? ;D

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 7:50 am
by Solar
bubach wrote:why would it be translated to german first?
Because I found it on a German newssite. ;-)
btw: why is everything being said on english _and_ french?
Courtesy to the Grande Nation, the only other nuclear superpower in Europe. ;)

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 8:41 am
by Eero Ränik
Solar wrote: "I think those eastern countries block-voting is somehow showing which countries in Europe are 'mature', and which are still in the 'toddler' stage..."
Uh, even though it was probably a joke, I take this as an insult at Estonia. We were under Soviet occupation, but that doesn't mean we aren't mature enough to be compared to big nation-states. Our votes are only tampered by foreign minorities that vote for their homeland, and that it is exactly the case in Germany and other West-European countries as well.

As you might know, during Soviet occupation Russian immigrants flooded in the occupied countries, and with natives deported to Syberia, one doesn't have to wonder why Russian votes are so high in case of ex-Soviet countries. And I'm also speaking for other countries in the area, especially Latvia and Lithuania you managed to confuse in your first post in this thread.

Re:Eurovision??

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:17 pm
by mystran
After Lordi getting a few votes in the final, I finally thought I should probably listen to that stupid song at least once (hadn't heard it since today) and I'm surprised to report that it's actually much better than I assumed. :)

So I guess I shouldn't be ashamed to be finnish.