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Java 2 Certified Programmer Exam

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:59 am
by Schol-R-LEA
I'm looking to take the Java 2 Certified Programmer exam sometime in late January or early February, and I would appreciate any advice on the test, and recommendations for study guides as well. I'm specifically trying to decide if I should take the 1.4 test directly, or take the 1.2 test first then the update test.

Re:Java 2 Certified Programmer Exam

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:30 am
by Neo
Why do you need to take a test conducted by someone else to show that you know Java?
Any particular reason? (I sure your good at it anyway)

Re:Java 2 Certified Programmer Exam

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:22 am
by Eero Ränik
I'd suggest to take 1.4 straight away, since 1.2 and 1.4 pretty much overlap. Not to mention it would be a lot more expensive to take 1.2 and upgrade later. Good luck anyway!

Neo: Just knowing Java (or whatever language, or skill) doesn't get you a job, a certificate will help you greatly when you're looking for one.

Re:Java 2 Certified Programmer Exam

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:44 pm
by Schol-R-LEA
Neo wrote: Why do you need to take a test conducted by someone else to show that you know Java?
Any particular reason? (I sure your good at it anyway)
I may have convinced you, but convincing a prospective employer is another matter.

Re:Java 2 Certified Programmer Exam

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:09 pm
by Kon-Tiki
Even then, they'll probably underpay you, as they tend to pay by paper. If you only have a paper from highschool, yet you can design and build Hoover Dam from scratch again, they'll still pay you as if you were somebody with only a paper from highschool. In those cases, getting a reputation's the thing to do... that they'll pay for your name, not for a scrap of paper.

Re:Java 2 Certified Programmer Exam

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:10 am
by durand
I took the 1.4 Certification Exam about 3 months ago. It's actually very easy *IF* you study, because it's a bunch of multiple choice questions...

If you don't study because you think you know Java, then you will fail miserably. 100% guaranteed. You NEED a study guide.

The book I used was: Complete Java 2 Certification Study Guide by Philip Heller and Simon Roberts - two guys who worked for Sun and designed the original test. It contains the programmer and developer chapters for both tests. It took me about 3 weeks to study for it and I got 78% ... I thought I would get full marks. It's a picky, nuisance of a test.

After you pass, you'll receive a really bad print out of a certificate a few weeks later along with a cool little badge and card saying that you're certified. It's a disappointment.

However, my certification did get me hired for a new job a few days later. So time spent is worth it - if only in the eyes of employers and managers. :)

There are lots of free mock exams on the internet (try google for them). Take as many as you can before you take the real test and you'll get a good indication of how well you know your stuff.

:)

Re:Java 2 Certified Programmer Exam

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:28 am
by distantvoices
@kon-tiki: it can be even worse. In Austrian Social Security, you don't get paid for your "papers", no matter how many of them you have (and I have two of them - one from a commercial academy, and another one from a rather sophisticated and difficult higher technical academy), but for kinda time you are already in the house and for the "position" you take - not as if it represents what you are doing - for they consider us computing engineers to be kinda overpaid, so they keep us down.

But in general it is: the more and better you can prove your knowledge, the better. As durand f. ex. shows: having some certificate in hand can open doors - if you are selling your knowledge good.

Also having any handicap isn't good for searching employment - here in Austria f. ex. Me has bad ears, so no matter how good my exams are, most of the bosses seek "young, good educated lads with *team work skills*" They consider being able to communicate by speech flawless a High Important thing for *team work skills*. (Pah, morons.Team work=one does the grunt work and others brag around with it.) They ask you: Why haven't you been in military service? You tell them and watch their faces getting longer and longer and you know by then: this won't work out.

I fall throu any crappy assessment center tests for I canna discuss with others - I simply don't understand them. *shrugs* That's for job hunting in our modern times.

stay safe.