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Hello I'm Xrter...
Let me introduce my self
I'm a system admin for a wholesaler of walmart like goods
and i spent my free time providing tech support on linux IRC channels
Well to be honest the reason i'm introducing myself and writing this post here at my desk is because of this idea i been having for ten years
It's a idea that has two camps of thought in the IT community
1: it's impossible because of all the different types of hardware out there not including the differetn archs of the various different types of cpu's

2: Don't even bother! your get your pants sued off your behind b4 u start because of all the various copyright and other implications involved with this project

well if that were the case and the reason why no one has attempted this idea yet why has the React OS Team gone on for so long without incident?
why u ask?
because the React OS Team has NOT STOLEN ONE BIT OF SOURCE CODE FROM MSFT!
I plan to the same

as for Number one,
I have everything all figured out and planned except for the gui which i could use some pointers on...
I was planning on having a no frills gui like jwm for linux but then idk it wouldnt compete with bill too much

as for the system
i have the kernel all designed on a flow chart I will send it to you on request
and as for the other things ah, hmm ya i allmost forgot!! this will the worlds first "IDIOT and fool proof" OS that will be cross platformed and universal .... simply put get a install cd from any major os out there today.... rather it be solaris,osX ,plain UNIX\Linux or just windows it would just simply "Launch" as it would in its own native enviroment without hassle mess muss or fuss!
To accomplish this I would need a I\O manager bigger and more extensive than Xfree86
It is simply just too cumbersome to handle the complexity of this project but credit given it is a good "under the hood " application for a average OS
Correct me if i'm wrong on this if you would please BUT! from what i heard from very knowledgable people in this field using xfree86 would be a waste of time because so much code needs to be re written
and as for bridging the different archs together like for cpu's and such that work has allready been done for me... we will be using "limbo" the second incarnation of that language bell labs developed some odd twenty years ago to make plan nine....
here's the link:
http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/limbo.html
this is a totally new complier and language based on C++
and its developed ina way that when you wrtie code in it, it is compatible for all arch's intel x86, alpha, sparc ,etc
before i go on further,... in attempt to make this post a slight easier on the eyes and a bit shorter..., i will point you to the temp page for my OS .... it is nothing much more than a feature list with stock gfx and oh did i mention we need all the help we can get??
here's the link:
http://charmelon.webs.com/
if you noticed it is named charmelon and no, it is not named after a poke' mon character that would some else with a "mander" somthing but i used this name to represent that it is a cool OS that can adapt to whatever the market trend ,or users needs will be plus it also represents the abillity to run muiltiple programs from four different enviroments in one native desktop enviroment

ok , going on
this cros platform capabillty will be achieved thru kernel "modules" not virtualization as much of the community has sought after!
it will not be ANY TYPE OF VM IT WILL ALL NATIVE and running in a "intergrated" enviroment.

what is also needed is a new unique file system called KUFS (kydne universal file system) with the file communication protocol:"kuff links"
this REQUIRED because every OS that is unique in nature has it's own file system
this will be a MAJOR PART OF THE OS as it bridges all the different file formats ,cylinder and partition block types

the drivers will enclosed in a highly compressed system file where all of are stored and will be called a XRG file which is somewhat simillar to a cab file of windows but the compression will be much more immense like 300% better than a cab or tarball
the kernel and all files needed for start will have it's own XRG file


another goal is to achieve the fastest boot time possible
A example is how this was done in slackware 3.0 in the late 90's
what
we are trying to strive for a simple but complex enough underneath
the hood to get everything done for everyday tasks in other other words easy enough for grandpa,secure and fool proof enough for people that like to mess around and or possibly delete a critical system component without know the consequences regardless if it was a accident or not
it also must crash and still have the data intergrity of the file you were working on still close to 100% and still on the hard disk not ram

ok That's pretty much it folks!!!
All i can say is you want to be a ACTUAL PART OF HISTORY AND END ole' bills DOMINANCE in the OS market with s ome thing that will totally change the paradigm of what a OS IS, PLEASE DO JOIN THE REVOLUTION!
you can do this either by donating your time,skills,effort,monetary contribution or other resources such as server space when needed , etc things like that!

And oh please do NOT be afraid to leave comments on the OS it will be VERY HELP FUL for our planning and development regardless of what that input may be
if you want to leave a private word please email me @ [email protected]


Thank you all and may you all have a completely ,truly and utterly blessed day/night/

see ya on the flipside!

Hahaha. Ok, ok... put up the kernel flowchart online. Post a link here. And do not disappoint.

I for one would like to welcome our new Charmelon(Chameleon?) overlord.

C-C-C-C-COMBO!

(Sorry, mods).

More on topic:

This sounds like a really ambitious project. Where are you starting? Do you have anything other than the general plan done? I've never heard of the language you're programming in, how does it compare to the rest of the C family languages?

So uh. You've designed a kernel. Then how come your website says your OS is based on Puppy Linux? And what the hell do you mean by "To accomplish this I would need a I\O manager bigger and more extensive than Xfree86"?

Oh and by the way, you probably meant "Chameleon", not "Charmelon"...

EDIT: "this will be a MAJOR PART OF THE OS as it bridges all the different file formats ,cylinder and partition block types" - lmao.

AlexExtreme wrote:Oh and by the way, you probably meant "Charmeleon", not "Charmelon"...

Did YOU mean chameleon, not charmeleon?

solemnwarning wrote:

AlexExtreme wrote:Oh and by the way, you probably meant "Charmeleon", not "Charmelon"...

Did YOU mean chameleon, not charmeleon?

I fail at spelling correction.

Hey now, he might have meant Charmelon! Its like a pomegranate, but filled with character goodness

Think alphabits cereal inside of a big pomegranate!

no, it is not named after a poke' mon character that would some else with a "mander" somthing

Which is an indication that you're probably an eight year old with no idea about the internals of an OS and spends 99% of your awake time playing Pokemon games on your Game Boy (and you have all of the models made since 1990 or whenever they started.)

Hi,

I just shat myself with laughter.

Cheers,

James

All i can say is you want to be a ACTUAL PART OF HISTORY AND END ole' bills DOMINANCE in the OS market with s ome thing that will totally change the paradigm of what a OS IS, PLEASE DO JOIN THE REVOLUTION!

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You aren't going to change what an OS is. Your idea is basically the same as other osdev noobies, let's all make a really good OS that is totally fool proof (I would find the quote, but your writing style sucks).
Also,

ah, hmm ya i allmost forgot!!

You don't need to type that into a post that you can review and edit. Plus, you didn't 'almost forget it' it comes at the start of your post!

Please, learn some more about this subject, design a kernel like the one you say you can make. Plus, no system is idiot proof. Never. Ever. Not even a toaster (Someone I knew burned themselves cause they dropped the keys in one).

I am going to let other peoples (yes, other peoples) have fun with this now, I don't have the time to look through your post and point out everything, I have my own OS to work on (one that actually works, btw, not just a design of the impossible).

Edit: Your new programming language made by spleen burst.

-JL

TL;DR

btw, Whats up with the first three repliers having the same avatar? Did I mess something?

*edit:

K, I read your post. There is quite a few errors in it and is simply not possible to impliment. Primarily because you are targeting the entire universal computer market (not just PCs) and expect a high level language to magically compile into the correct byte code for every single computer on the planet. (Unless, again, you are targeting specific computer archs again. If so, then it cannot be coinsidered a universal language.) The basic lesson here is that you will always have portability issues. Always.

The other two problems is the fatal plan to design your GUI without even knowing how it will function (which is not possible without the complete design of your system and what other components your GUI relies on.) You also mention that you will need a very complex I/O manager. This is abstract; there can be different types of I/O managers depending on your systems design. What type of I/O manager are you referring to here? How do you know it will be very complex?

I didnt read your whole post. To long and misinformation in it.

http://charmelon.webs.com/ wrote:2:Automatic hardware detection and configuration on boot up( just like the flawed play and play feature in windows but better and its done for you!)

play and play feature? Looking at your website it looks like it was just hacked together in a day or two...

Hi,
You told you are copying nothing from Microsoft , Still you made a caption that mimics ours , For Microsoft its "Your potential ,Our Passion " . You just replaced potential with innovation , and swapped Your and Our .

Regards
Shrek

You seem like you are an intelligent and capable individual who has done their research, so you may be wondering why everyone why people are acting they way they do.

The people on this forum are generally not rude, but this forum is flooded with new members who post saying they want to invent the next big operating system, be the most user friendly OS, integrate AI, overtake Microsoft in marketshare, be compatible with drivers/applications from other operating systems.

These goals are not impossible, but out of reach for most people unless they dedicate the better part of the decade (or several decades) towards achieving it.

If you approached this differently, for example suggesting we would have more benefit in writing the operating system in Limbo than C++ (C/C++ is portable, and it's only the low level stuff (that makes up about 1% of most people's kernels) that is tied to the architecture, something that occurs with all languages, and this code is usually separated from the rest so it's easy to swap with another architecture). Had you had a proof of concept written in Limbo, wrote the equivalent in C++, and demonstrated Limbo's advantage we would have had a more serious response.

Having the attitude of "I have a great concept with all these features, I just want someone else to work out the technicalities and do all the programming" isn't going to get you anywhere. Even if you have great ideas, but nothing to give the other person, a potential programmer will ask them self "why can't I just do it myself, and I wouldn't have to conform the ideas I don't agree with".

If you have a great idea for an operating system concept or user interface, write a proof of concept that runs on top of an existing system to prove you're capable of contributing to the actual development. Otherwise why would someone join you if you can't contribute yourself, just boss someone else around, when instead they could implement your ideas themselves?

It would be different if you proved yourself to be a capable programmer, had a partially working system, and proposed your goals to look for someone to join you, rather than do the work for you.

Shrek wrote:Hi,
You told you are copying nothing from Microsoft , Still you made a caption that mimics ours , For Microsoft its "Your potential ,Our Passion " . You just replaced potential with innovation , and swapped Your and Our .

Regards
Shrek

Wow. I just noticed that, good find!