Segregation makes a come back...

earlz · Post by **earlz** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:59 am

Ok, I don't really know how to write an "intro" for this topic...but anyway...

Basically, now on school trips(high school) girls and boys must be seperated, no matter what... daylight, teachers everywhere, it doesn't matter... boys must sit in the back, and girls must sit in the front...

Now, I can maybe see the point of this, that they don't want us having sex on the bus(lol), but it just goes too far... like you can never sit with another girl, you can't even be around them because of the empty "buffer" seat seperating them, as if one is vinegar, and the other is baking soda...

This can actually even be interferring... such as on a speech trip(do duets and read poetry and whatnot) if your duet partner is a girl, you can't even practice with them until you get to the actual place...

Then there is the issue most epople don't think about... what about homosexuals and bisexuals? do homosexuals have to sit with the opposite sex, and bisexuals have to be in their own isolation bubble?

Yea... and what about this from a legal standpoint, isn't the whole "separate, but equal" seat thing already been done away with a while ago?

and then their is the flat point of the rule...
you can keep kids from making out on the bus, but if there is a will, there is a way...

and then consistency...
If they want us to never touch the opposite sex, then why don't they segregate the whole school? I mean, on the bus, people actually do touch each other, like hold hand, kiss, whatever...but it happens at school too(even in class rooms) so I mean really, what's the point?

Also, what sucks is that boys always have less room in the back because we get pushed back to where we have to sit 2 to a seat, while girls are up in the front comforable... with even empty seats...

it just really sucks having to either scream or text/phone just to talk to my girlfriend when she is a few feet away...

and there really would be no problem if there was a teacher in the middle, and a sponsor in the back(and busdriver in front) I mean, wtf is going to happen there? but no, we can't even talk to girls...and I'll stop here cause I don't write well when angry...

suthers · Post by **suthers** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:23 am

Ok, what the hell?
That is just crazy and going way to far.
(I don't think anybodies crazy enough to have sex on the bus, at least not at my school).
At my school we don't have anything like that, except for me and computers.
My house master gets my laptop checked every month or so, because within five minutes of having a computer account at school id already figured out how to disable monitoring and how to override there proxy.
Then once they've blocked all my computer privileges, they force me into stuff like B.I.O and the Google open source competition and I've been forced to teach a class in how to program in C++ to a group of idiots how don't even listen to me.
(I thought i would have a rant about my school to....)
Jules

inflater · Post by **inflater** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:48 am

suthers: WHAT THE?!

... I can't stop myself laughing.

If ANYBODY would take my PC away, I would mix potassium cyanide in his coffee or I would use HDKP, Hard Drive Killer Pro.

They will never take me or my computers alive!!!

... Thank God in our school no one knows what's a proxy, hacking, telnet, Linux, GRUB, COMMAND.COM, C++, Delphi,... etc.

Regards
inflater

piranha · Post by **piranha** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:21 pm

... Thank God in our school no one knows what's a proxy, hacking, telnet, Linux, GRUB, COMMAND.COM, C++, Delphi,... etc. Wink

No one at my school can deal with Linux and programming, but Java is an offered course (but you learn to make simple programs)
At my school they can keep boys and girls apart. It's impossible.

-JL

Combuster · Post by **Combuster** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:58 pm

I haven't figured a leak in the system's security they use at the CS department yet, but the stuff is run by a duo whom exactly fit the physical description of a true hacker. (including the multi-monitor setup and the cables on the floor). Half the computer rooms run (a commercial distro of) linux, we have wireless, SSH access and VPN.

I still have to check if the zoo network (which holds the webservers) fit the IP subnet used for the staff...

As for the segregation: boys only. Effortless. Long live the reputation of computer science

earlz · Post by **earlz** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:23 pm

the worst part of my school...
their servers are OpenBSD...

the only leak will be if the password is foudn out for SSH...

Solar · Post by **Solar** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:47 am

suthers wrote:My house master gets my laptop checked every month or so, because within five minutes of having a computer account at school id already figured out how to disable monitoring and how to override there proxy.

Which, in just about every company I know of, would be grounds to terminate your contract immediately, so be happy they only check your laptop. (Is it really yours, or the one assigned to you by the school?)

As for the OP, that sounds awfully like the land of the free, home of the brave...!?

AJ · Post by AJ » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:38 am

Solar wrote: As for the OP, that sounds awfully like the land of the free, home of the brave...!?

Sounds suspiciously like my old school in the UK too - we certainly had separate boy's and girl's school trips as well. In fact - we had separate boy's and girl's departments from ages 11-14. Then, when we got to GCSE's and A-levels, there weren't enough teachers to keep the classes separate, so we had separate tutor groups but came together for some classes. In fact, the school bus home was the only place where there was no teacher, so they couldn't keep everyone apart

Cheers,
Adam

JamesM · Post by **JamesM** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:43 am

Combuster wrote:I haven't figured a leak in the system's security they use at the CS department yet, but the stuff is run by a duo whom exactly fit the physical description of a true hacker. (including the multi-monitor setup and the cables on the floor). Half the computer rooms run (a commercial distro of) linux, we have wireless, SSH access and VPN.

Heh, at my company the more monitors you have, the more intelligent you are it seems

the standard setup it dual monitor, given to all employees and a couple have 'mission control' style 4-monitor setups

As for the segregation: boys only. Effortless. Long live the reputation of computer science

Hey! That's not completely true! We have 4, yes a full FOUR girls in my year at CS! That's pretty good going!

And yes suthers, you're lucky you're not suspended. I did a similar thing and very nearly got suspended from school - I had all my computer privileges removed for months (and all I did was get access to the C: drive and play solitaire and use winPopUp, which were banned

)

AJ · Post by AJ » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:48 am

At my school we only had 286's up until I was 16 anyway. After that, we moved on to Windows 3.1 machines (this was in the late 90's) and some of the older guys wrote a replacement shell called 'CLIX', which was only supposed to let you launch Office programs. They put on a password system. Not too secure when you are able to copy the .exe to a floppy disk (using Word's open/save dialogs) and the passwords are in plain ASCII embeded in to the executable

. Luckily, none of the teachers were clever enough to realise what was being done...

Cheers,
Adam

suthers · Post by **suthers** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:14 pm

Yes, it is my laptop, not one assigned by the school.
To JamesM: You got banned for accessing to play solitaire?
WHAT THE HELL that's just evil...
Jules

AndrewAPrice · Post by **AndrewAPrice** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:49 pm

inflater wrote:suthers: WHAT THE?!

... I can't stop myself laughing. If ANYBODY would take my PC away, I would mix potassium cyanide in his coffee or I would use HDKP, Hard Drive Killer Pro. They will never take me or my computers alive!!!

... Thank God in our school no one knows what's a proxy, hacking, telnet, Linux, GRUB, COMMAND.COM, C++, Delphi,... etc.

Regards
inflater

Anyone was about to take my laptop away, I'd take out my main hard drive, install DexOS or MenuetOS or something and let them try to install their special packet sniffing and trojan programs on that!

inflater · Post by **inflater** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:25 am

MessiahAndrw wrote:I'd take out my main hard drive

And what if they would search your house for the HDD and they will suddenly find your "back-up" CD's?

In that case the zyankali would be better

..... Or a big hammer or sleeping pills. Which one to choose?

Regards
inflater

Solar · Post by **Solar** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:57 am

Just to reiterate: Violating security policies, no matter how stupid you think they are and how sure you are you aren't doing any harm, can get you fired in the working world. Be happy they only take your laptop for inspection, and cut back a bit on the "vengeance" talk, because you are the offender...

(I'm a bit touchy when it comes to this "I know what I am doing" stuff, because in well over >50% of the time, the correct reply is "no, you don't"...)

inflater · Post by **inflater** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:10 pm

That's why I follow the rule: "Do whatever you want, but don't tell it to anyone."

But sometimes it's better to break the rule...

Regards
inflater