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16:9 DVD resolution

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:42 pm
by AndrewAPrice
What is the standard 16:9 (PAL) resolution used for DVD's?

Non-widescreen PAL DVD's are 720×576. Do 16:9 DVD use the same resolution and stretch it to the desired ratio?

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:02 pm
by AndrewAPrice
Nevermind.. I opened a DVD in VideoLAN, set zoom to 1:1, screenshoted the window and measured the window. It's 1024x576.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:25 pm
by Zacariaz
ah, but you cant be sure if the program you use did any stretching ;)

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:18 pm
by AndrewAPrice
Zacariaz wrote:ah, but you cant be sure if the program you use did any stretching ;)
It's working just as I wanted to. I've told the ripping program to stretch the vertical res from 720 to 1024.

I wish there was a video format where I could rip it in it's native resolution (to save space), but tell the video player to stretch it to 16:9.

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:10 am
by os64dev
All resolutions for PAL, NTSC are 720 pixels wide unless they are HD. Vertically it is based on the line system which is NTSC 525(480), PAL 625(576), HD 1125(1080) So the height of 16:9 PAL is 576 ;-).
Widescreen just uses black bars above and below the video. But the visible lines or are (576/16) * 9 = 324

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:29 am
by AndrewAPrice
os64dev wrote:Widescreen just uses black bars above and below the video. But the visible lines or are (576/16) * 9 = 324
Isn't that just what DVD players use when using letterbox?

Anyway, after a lot of researched I've found out all PAL DVDs have the video stretched to 720x576 regardless of their aspect ratio. I'm guessing the DVD video file's header has information about its aspect ratio and it's up to the DVD software/hardware to determine if to add black bars to the sides or top/bottom.

It annoys me when a 16:9 image has been pre-formatted with the bars on top and bottom and then saved as a 4:3/5:4 image. Then when you actually play these on a 16:9 television you have black bars at the top, bottom and sides. It's called the windowbox effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windowbox_%28film%29).

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:00 am
by os64dev
Anyway, after a lot of researched I've found out all PAL DVDs have the video stretched to 720x576 regardless of their aspect ratio. I'm guessing the DVD video file's header has information about its aspect ratio and it's up to the DVD software/hardware to determine if to add black bars to the sides or top/bottom.
576 lines, that is what i said above. Everything is based on the line system. Well actually the aspect ratio information is send to your TV set, i think by pulling one of the scart pins high or low. The TV set will then do a vertical compress according to 4:3 or 16:9 and add blackbars to hide the garbage above or below the video.
It annoys me when a 16:9 image has been pre-formatted with the bars on top and bottom and then saved as a 4:3/5:4 image. Then when you actually play these on a 16:9 television you have black bars at the top, bottom and sides
Yeah, most people are pretty clueless regarding video formats, etc. I have been working in the TV industry for 5 years and still have to think about how it all works.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:37 am
by GLneo
i am currently having the same problem only in reverse, I'm trying to burn a dvd from a 16:9 xvid, when i encode the mpeg2 all the encoders add bars and my dvd burner software ads pillarbox effect to the final dvd :P :roll: :shock: ](*,)

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:34 am
by os64dev
GLneo wrote:i am currently having the same problem only in reverse, I'm trying to burn a dvd from a 16:9 xvid, when i encode the mpeg2 all the encoders add bars and my dvd burner software ads pillarbox effect to the final dvd :P :roll: :shock: ](*,)
maybe you should use virtualdub to do the video processing

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:13 pm
by GLneo
I'm not very video savvy, I'm using Windoze XP and have tried avstodvd and other simple open source dvd burners but all use slooooowwww encoders ( like QuEnc, I tried encoding the video with HcEnc and it only took 35Min, then the program automatically uses QuEnc to encode the video's audio and it was working on it for TWO DAYS before i stopped it :P ), back to the point how do i quickly go from avi to burned dvd? ( with aspect in tacked, any fancy commands? )

thx for your time!