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If you look at 4 main ASM OS's namely MenuetOS, Sol_OS, OCTA OS, DexOS.
Only "OCTA OS" is Open source, and that could be because its tied to its own Assembler ?, (so hard to rip the code ).
That says to me that open source does not work, as at one time all these OS's have all been Open source or in DexOS's case, not open source, but source available. Now why does opensource not work ?, that's because it is slavery .
They sell you this illusion, that your working for the good of mankind, bull s**t, your working for nothing, that's slavery.
Big Co can now get what they use to pay top $ for free, at the same time the general public pay M$ and apple lots of $$, and do not want to know Opensource, until they need to crack this protection or download peer to peer etc.
Why do we not ask plumbers, joiners, motor mechanics, school teachers etc to work for free.
I think all Open source coders should go on strike, as the world could not run without computer.

Open source works. Have you heard of Linux? GNU, perhaps?

I can't imagine a world without open-source.

Edit: Hey Dex, what assembler do you use to write DexOS? I bet it's open source... What about the GNU toolchain (GCC, binutils)? Where would we be without open source?

Dex wrote: Big Co can now get what they use to pay top $ for free, at the same time the general public pay M$ and apple lots of $$, and do not want to know Opensource, until they need to crack this protection or download peer to peer etc.
Why do we not ask plumbers, joiners, motor mechanics, school teachers etc to work for free.
I think all Open source coders should go on strike, as the world could not run without computer.

? I think your argument is not open source but license.
BSD lets company's take code without giving back but If that makes you feel bad you can always GPL your code?

I would say the problem you have is not with Open Source software but with Marketing. The difference between say MS and Open Source Company X is one of Marketing. MS has people who are not extremely technical maket their product to end users and Company X has a developer marketing their product.

Now if your parents or even friends are like mine they have no clue about technical jargon and they really don't care. They simply want to know what it can do for them.

On a different note Open Source software makes a very small percentage of the market place and it will probably never get any bigger due to poor Marketing. So starting a strike of Open Source developers probably will not do anything except accelerate some open source projects to failure.

Now my problem with open source is the fact that the software is generally not geared toward the end user but at developers.

dave wrote: Now my problem with open source is the fact that the software is generally not geared toward the end user but at developers.

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
http://pidgin.im/pidgin/home/
http://www.gimp.org/
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
http://www.openoffice.org/

I don't think so

Twitch wrote:

dave wrote: Now my problem with open source is the fact that the software is generally not geared toward the end user but at developers.

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
http://pidgin.im/pidgin/home/
http://www.gimp.org/
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
http://www.openoffice.org/

I don't think so

Firstly, I was generalizing. Secondly, take linux (any distro) as a product has a very poor user experience for non technical people and non technical people could careless about source code.

As to the products above they mark some of the other points such as why do I need another Free Instant Messaging program and why do I need the source to such a program. The reality is Source Code targets a very small audience, the developer.

While the products above are nice they go back to my initial statement that Open Source products have poor marketing and people do not know about these products.

Heres a question for thought:
If people do not know that your product exist how good of a product do you really have?

dave wrote: While the products above are nice they go back to my initial statement that Open Source products have poor marketing and people do not know about these products.

Heres a question for thought:
If people do not know that your product exist how good of a product do you really have?

I totally agree. I've heard people say that because it's free it's total garbage. I really hate that idea. It's so stupid. They have no idea whatsoever.

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It's the same as how people treat Wikipedia. "It's inaccurate because anyone can change it.". Well, ya know what!? Try to find a listing of Spongebob episodes in your 120 volume encyclopedia set! Oh, did you not find it!? I've read of schools that have actually blocked Wikipedia. "It's inaccurate, so we don't want the students to use it." I just can't understand these people. Wikipedia is probably the fastest way to find anything on the internet. The funny thing is, that they allow the use of Google to research articles. Really? How is one page at random site x, more accurate than an article that has been viewed and revised by the community?
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It's so frustrating. It really is. I think people feel 'safer' when using something produced by a huge company, because then, they can just blame the company is something goes wrong. When using open source, there's no one to blame but yourself.

Yes you are right, most people do not care if the application is open source or not. However most people do care that they are free. For example Linux is becoming more and more popular everyday. And Firefox too.

EDIT: This was addressed to dave.

Alboin wrote:Open source works.

It does indeed. I mainly open-sourced DynatOS so that other people can have the opportunity to learn from it. The counter for downloading the DynatOS source code is at 39, but only a couple have actually contacted me about it thus far. All in all, that is still much more than those who would have learned if it was still closed-source.

I admire those who open-source things for the *right* reasons, but please keep the zealots/extremists (from anywhere) off my door-step

@frank:
Linux maybe becoming more popular but I bet if you were to poll the general non technical public they wouldn't even know what Linux even is.


here is a question for thought:
why do people use pirated software over free legal open source alternatives?

First i want to point out, i have nothing against people who code for open source projects or open source there projects, but i think they are sold a myth about they are helping mankind, but really only help big business.
For example, there was some code that was in the linux kernel, that was a security risk, so someone wrote a program to test for it, they found in two placers in the linux kernel, just to see they try to test for it in XP and found about 14 cases, this shows that alot of Open source ends up in closed source, also take the XP tcp/ip stack, its well known that its the BSD stack.
Now you say where would you be without linux, Well first i always buy my copy of linux fully boxed and as for fasm, i would much rather buy it and pay a fee for each copy distributed with DexOS.
Why should a Co try and compeat with M$ OS, if there is a free one ?.
So its simple people that code and take many years to learn to code, should be payed, you are not helping mankind, you are s**ting on people trying to sell a good IDE or Assembler etc.
And the none geeks i talk to say the samething, it must be no good if its FREE (and i know about the free, as free speech, but if you can download it for free, its free).

take linux (any distro) as a product has a very poor user experience for non technical people

have you heard of Ubuntu?

Pyrofan1 wrote:have you heard of Ubuntu?

Yes, I have and when you look at it alone then it is a nice product, but comparing it to Windows and Mac OS the experience is pretty poor.

but back to Dex's argument about people selling open source as changing the world, sorry you drank the cool aid.

Hi...

Linux is a special case so it must be open source and free,
But when I'm saying linux I only mean the kernel and some other stuff
such as the bootloader,GUI...stuff to help the os to boot and get to desktop,
only ,so no office, no songs player...,if you want more programmes
you got to pay some money for a coder to code that for you.

On the other hand we'll get into trouble without opens source(technical people
coders...).
Open source has been helping me to improve my experience with coding...

Coders need to look at someone other code to learn and improve their own,
Also they must be paid for their work if the world wants coders to stay
alive,and find some money to buy some food ...

Thanx.