Sounds good to me. I don't think anyone was trying to tell you what to do with your own kernel. It sounded more like you were trying to claim that Unicode (or the more general concept of a universal character set) is unnecessary.lollynoob wrote:I'll personally be fine with supporting only ASCII in my (hobby) kernel, since I'm neither a large corporation or a non-English-speaker.
You sir, are the archetypical example of an ignorant American. Please, keep dreaming in your safe little ideal world of monolinguism and xenophobia. But don't bother us with it, please.lollynoob wrote:Sorry guys, I never realized it was my obligation to keep on the nice side of every foreigner I'll never meet.
That is true. However, it is very difficult in Europe to pretend that you're alone. In the US, that's a lot easier, and the general linguistic xenophobia found there has no match on the old continent (except perhaps a general dislike for the influence of the English language by stupid pundits).lollynoob wrote:It's not just an American thing to prefer one's own region over others, and to be more comfortable with the people of that region.
So is murder and rape. Neither of which I like to take part in.Xenophobia is part of human nature
Your OS will not be known by the entire world population. In fact, it will probably only be known by a handful, so if you for pragmatic reasons do not want to support Unicode, fine. However, you should realize that many on this list are from other places than the US, and displaying US-centricity is not favoured amongst those not living there (or even amongst those that do).I see no reason to go against what's comfortable for me to please the entire world population. Sorry if I'm not worldly (trendy) enough to make you happy.
As a civilized and socialized being, it should be your obligation to keep on the nice side of any person as long as that person does not give you reason to do otherwise. Whether or not that person is a "foreigner" doesn't come into it. (I'd like to hear your definition of "foreigner", if only because I'm curious how many rules of basic political correctness you would violate in a single statement.)lollynoob wrote:Sorry guys, I never realized it was my obligation to keep on the nice side of every foreigner I'll never meet.
Personally I feel that aiming for a functionality level about on-par with DOS 3.3 to be pretty low standards even - no, especially - for a hobby project.I'll personally be fine with supporting only ASCII in my (hobby) kernel, since I'm neither a large corporation or a non-English-speaker.
No, sorry - ASCII has never "worked", has always been the reason for needless headaches, which is why something like Unicode popped up in the first place.ASCII works, has worked, and with UTF-8 being backwards-compatible with it, will continue to work for a long while.
Arrogant... you wouldn't be able to properly read the names of people or cities, for example. And people won't be much impressed if you couldn't even spell their names properly in a letter. You don't have to go as far as China, you don't even have to leave your own country. You know, that hispanic next door isn't named Jose, his name is José...Sorry if some Chinese guy doesn't like my choices, but I wouldn't be able to read his angry e-mails anyways.
Unfortunately in a tone that incites criticism, because you try to hide your lazyness, and perhaps even your inability to comprehend, behind a claim of "not necessary".I was just pointing out my preference for non-unified encodings and my reasons for it.
...and trying to get it over with is a sign of civilized behaviour.Xenophobia is part of human nature, to an extent...
See, we see no reason to leave you unflamed just because it would be comfortable to you....and I see no reason to go against what's comfortable for me to please the entire world population.
As far as I know, I've got no obligations to any person or civilization, much less one I doubt I'll ever meet or be a part of. Secondly, to define foreigner, I mean anyone not in the United States, which I thought you would have known unless you were curious as to my nationality. In case you haven't realized, "political correctness" is an overrated fad that simply gives people an excuse to act like little white(no, there aren't any implications behind this) knights on the internet and on television.As a civilized and socialized being, it should be your obligation to keep on the nice side of any person as long as that person does not give you reason to do otherwise. Whether or not that person is a "foreigner" doesn't come into it. (I'd like to hear your definition of "foreigner", if only because I'm curious how many rules of basic political correctness you would violate in a single statement.)
Where did I mention DOS 3.3? Judging by your (massive, seriously) post count, I would think you'd know by now that the type of character encoding has nothing to do with the capabilities of the operating system. Perhaps by not bothering about which is the most politically correct or all-encompassing standard to align myself with, I can, you know, work on an operating system.Personally I feel that aiming for a functionality level about on-par with DOS 3.3 to be pretty low standards even - no, especially - for a hobby project.
I fail to see how ASCII (a fixed-width, single-language encoding, with 256 (128, excluding the higher half) characters) is more of a headache than Unicode (a variable-width(sometimes), multi-language encoding, with (as of yet) over 100,000 characters) to implement. Personally, I like to be able to count on 'a' <= x <= 'z' to check for lower case, and I don't feel a bit of shame, as you put it, for thinking so.No, sorry - ASCII has never "worked", has always been the reason for needless headaches, which is why something like Unicode popped up in the first place.
My computer is not a map or a pen, and I don't have a neighbor named Jose. I don't have an accented 'e' key, either; these things don't apply to me, so why should I support them in something I create in my spare time?Arrogant... you wouldn't be able to properly read the names of people or cities, for example. And people won't be much impressed if you couldn't even spell their names properly in a letter. You don't have to go as far as China, you don't even have to leave your own country. You know, that hispanic next door isn't named Jose, his name is José...
I'm by no means lazy, and I can comprehend Unicode just fine; I'd just rather not bother with something I won't use. It's the same reason I'm not developing my operating system for the PowerPC.Unfortunately in a tone that incites criticism, because you try to hide your lazyness, and perhaps even your inability to comprehend, behind a claim of "not necessary".
Who are you to define civilized behavior? If anything, it would be uncivilized to favor people in another country over the ones who live around me. Also, it would be civilized for you to not make broad generalizations about my country, and the people in it....and trying to get it over with is a sign of civilized behaviour.
You know, you Americans did a great effort driving home the message to us Germans that xenophobia and chauvinism is a bad thing. It's been a major subject at school for the last half-century. Perhaps it's time to return the favor...
Classy. Hint hint, you're the only one flaming me; why do you refer to yourself as we?See, we see no reason to leave you unflamed just because it would be comfortable to you.
Actually, i would very much like to do some flaming but i don't have the time right now, and since solar is doing such a smashing job i'm just watching the show.lollynoob wrote:@Solar:
Classy. Hint hint, you're the only one flaming me; why do you refer to yourself as we?
You have no such obligation, but don't expect people to help you when you are being rude to them.lollynoob wrote:As far as I know, I've got no obligations to any person or civilization, much less one I doubt I'll ever meet or be a part of.
Checking if x is >= a' and <= 'z' doesn't correctly check for lower case letters. æøöåß are lower case ASCII letters that won't pass your test.lollynoob wrote:I fail to see how ASCII (a fixed-width, single-language encoding, with 256 (128, excluding the higher half) characters) is more of a headache than Unicode (a variable-width(sometimes), multi-language encoding, with (as of yet) over 100,000 characters) to implement. Personally, I like to be able to count on 'a' <= x <= 'z' to check for lower case, and I don't feel a bit of shame, as you put it, for thinking so.No, sorry - ASCII has never "worked", has always been the reason for needless headaches, which is why something like Unicode popped up in the first place.
Actually that is wrong. They are not part of ASCII, just part of some ASCII extensions afaik (reference: wikipedia).Wave wrote:æøöåß are lower case ASCII letters that won't pass your test.
Why in the world would I want to be better than what I am? It's a part of humanity, and I have no problems with it. People in Europe can hate me if they want (and judging by these forum posts, they do already); it won't bother me a bit, I promise.Xenophobia is human nature yes, but the fact that you aren't trying to be better than that...
I think it's this one. I like the right to choose who I'm friendly with, or more relatedly, who my operating system is directed towards. Being that my country isn't situated near any other that is vastly different from itself, it makes perfect sense that this sort of xenophobia* isn't frowned angrily down upon here, and I'm glad. Having to worry about everyone when I say anything seems pretty ridiculous....or exposure to an environment in which your xenophobia is acceptable.
Ah, yes, the shame he must feel then (speaking from personal experience) :).Solar wrote:look back at this thread...
