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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:00 pm
by Brynet-Inc
I dislike Java.. I dislike flash... And I dislike excessive Javascript..
Bye Dex.. lol..
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:10 pm
by Alboin
Brynet-Inc wrote:I dislike Java.. I dislike flash... And I dislike excessive Javascript.
Me too, but the only way to really have things like video and sound embedded in your site is to use Flash, and Adobe has a bloody monopoly on the entire business, so one oft finds himself resorting to such low measures. (Applets are smelly.)
I think the one thing that is missing from fossdom is a free web media. (Cortado is buggy and only for video. Not so much in the dynamic area.)
Yeah...blah....I dislike the internet.
Re: Dex is leaving, this forum
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:23 pm
by Tyler
anon19287473 wrote:
The idea that WebOS's (like YouOS or whatever) will take over is limited entirely to home computers, and casual users. Applications which require immediate response, security, heavy amounts of resources and servers will not be part of the WebOS crew. Personally, I HATE the idea of a web OS, that means
a.) someone else is in control of my computer
b.) my files are outside of my control (security-wise)
c.) i cant run my computer how I want to (on Unix)
A WebOS strips away my control over my machine, whats to stop the government from peeking at my logs, files etc., since clearly corporations will hand over data without breaking stride. If the desktop OS dies, it will be terribly missed
I will personally will NEVER migrate to a web OS, they are clearly designed for "end users", not developers or "power users", or for anybody who really CARES about computing. Perhaps the Windows junkies who only use their comp for email and word processing will, buts thats their loss.
DIE THIN CLIENTS DIE!!!!!
I would like to point out, a WebOS doesn't relate to developing a "real" OS, because the underlying designs are completely unrelated. Aside from UI theory stuff, i think a web dev forum would be better suited for questions relating to this.
Dont count out M$, they still have time to cut their losses and use their market share to secure a position in the new empire
, but god, i hope they dont!
I really hope you dont cease dev on DexOS (in ASM), its quite impressive...
A little while ago a saw a java applet that would run bochs (on the server) and give you the screen... just gonna throw that out there.
I don't entirely agree... factual as they may claim it to be (i see YouOS a more of a web desktop) you are still thinking inside the box. If that is the way it is now, why not change it? WebOS' in either the Services, Web Desktop, or Standard App sitting on the web sense all have those issues but that is no reason an innovative young OS Developer can't intergrate the ideas that appeal to users into a good system, as opposed to the current bullshit.
Also i don't see how your Thin Client comment relates, i am personally a big fan of Thin Clients because when used in a business they reduce security risks, money spent on systems and control is returned to the admins not some cocky young worker who thinks they have masstered the web with web based proxy.
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:32 pm
by anon19287473
About thin clients... thin client do have a proper use, like in businesses. However, the idea of a web OS, as a full OS, implies that people would use thin clients (running only a browser or client app of some soft) to connect to their web OS, there would be no PC's. Perhaps that will clear up what i said.
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:47 pm
by Tyler
anon19287473 wrote:About thin clients... thin client do have a proper use, like in businesses. However, the idea of a web OS, as a full OS, implies that people would use thin clients (running only a browser or client app of some soft) to connect to their web OS, there would be no PC's. Perhaps that will clear up what i said.
Oh i totally agree that moving all applications to the web is a bad idea. I would prefer interfrating the power of faster internet applications into the standard desktop though. I want to use all my computing power, not ignore it just so i can access the same **** apps from anywhere.
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:18 pm
by Alboin
Tyler wrote: I would prefer integrating the power of faster internet applications into the standard desktop though.
Then yer going to need a better web system, because the current AJAX situation is just pure crap. What respectable developer is going to use a bunch of hacks to build a so called 'application'?
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:49 pm
by pcmattman
It's funny... Dex's legacy remains. We're still arguing after comments he made. How many times has this happened before?
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:01 pm
by Tyler
Alboin wrote:Tyler wrote: I would prefer integrating the power of faster internet applications into the standard desktop though.
Then yer going to need a better web system, because the current AJAX situation is just pure crap. What respectable developer is going to use a bunch of hacks to build a so called 'application'?
Yeah i covered this in my last two posts... and it is why i used the term internet. AJAX is bullshit and the Web is definetly not where i intend to implement this.
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:32 pm
by binutils
_osnews_Dreaming-in-the-Cloud-with-the-XIOS-Web-OS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:15 am
by Tyler
Bastards... i was going to use the term Internet OS for soemthing that wasn't a load of bullshit, infortuantely writing something real takes a little longer than a website. I mean come on, who uses the term "Virtual Machine for XML", it doesn't even make sense...
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:56 pm
by binutils
BTW, i shouldn't post above link.
It feeling like to ad ms-related link.
Feel dirty. fook osnews
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:37 pm
by Alboin
I like osnews. What's wrong with it?
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:12 pm
by binutils
i am neutral, so nvm.
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:07 am
by bubach
Just to clear things up, Dex do not mean a ajax/web 2.0 crap thing by webOS.
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:26 am
by Tyler
bubach wrote:Just to clear things up, Dex do not mean a ajax/web 2.0 crap thing by webOS.
Have you ever read his posts about WebOS'... that is exactly what he means, he believes we are living in the Past with Desktop OS'. Also i don't know any other meaning of WebOS, an OS on the web... this is exactly what he meant...