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The Christians are once again winning..

MessiahAndrw wrote:The Christians are once again winning..

I love it... we give up saying anything in order to not cause argument, then they claim they are not even trying to prove anything, yet still somehow there is "winning" going on.

If you consider the actual theist/atheist ratio in western countries, I think its more appropriate to say that the atheists have the bigger share

Here is your classic atheist argument:

" Faith and science don't mix. I base atheism on scientific facts, no some 2000 year old religion on faith"

I here this alot from "agnostics" and atheists. what they are really saying is that they don't want to believe in something greater than them. and they also base it on a fallacy. the fallacy is called: "Ad Ignorantiam". which means appeal to ignorance. "arguing that a claim is true just because it has not shown to be false" or vice versa. Anyone who knows logic (who has STUDIED logic) should ignore this argument.

Why would there be any reason to disprove the existence of God anyway? I mean did he spoil your fun? I can assure you that I do not walk around telling everyone that God does not exist. Simply because it definitely does less harm for people to think he does, than to think he does not exist.

I mean what in the bible OR in the thought of God existing gets people so argumentative that they just have to absolutely prove that it is false. It makes no sense to me..

So what? I know someone here made the argument that a link between religion and control on society were evident and proven in history. But, who cares? It was a long time ago and I think people in the twenty-first century have a much more advanced view on the world and it working - which by the way I can also deduce from the many number of people that come up with the "logical" reasons why he does not exist. So what?

You have proven that the so referenced as "mind control" could never take grip on you.. It seems like a win win situation to me. Frankly, blabbering on and on about how God does not exist and why -- is just as bad in my opinion as the people who blabber on and on about how he does exist.

Do you walk around telling little kids that Santa Clause does not exist? I am sure they will find out soon or later, and if not I imagine it would not be a total disaster in their lives if they died thinking he did exist.

Kevin McGuire wrote:I mean what in the bible OR in the thought of God existing gets people so argumentative that they just have to absolutely prove that it is false. It makes no sense to me..

Imagine how you would feel if the entire world told you the world was flat? Then you tell them it's round, provide what you think is ample evidence and argue the toss for hours; they then say "The world is flat obviously, it is impossible to prove otherwise". Would you not feel frustrated in your atempts to prove what you think is truth? Now this is not an argument either way for religion, but i am shocked you cannot understand what it is like to feel the frustation felt when someone states the blatantly stupid and won't listen to reason.

Kevin McGuire wrote: Do you walk around telling little kids that Santa Clause does not exist? I am sure they will find out soon or later, and if not I imagine it would not be a total disaster in their lives if they died thinking he did exist.

People ordinarily don't base their entire lifes and understanding around the idea of Santa Claus though do they

Don't get me wrong though, i hope reiligion is here to stay for a good while, society just couldn't cope with a million cry baby "ethical" people realising there is no basis to there bullshit.

God loves you still.. Tyler, it is not to late. Your heart can mend if you only pray for forgiveness. Join us..

Kevin McGuire wrote:God loves you still.. Tyler, it is not to late. Your heart can mend if you only pray for forgiveness. Join us..

Tempting offer... but i'm all packed and setup for hell i am afraid. After playing the Columbine Tech RPG and finding out Hell is just like Doom, well i can't wait.

I sense a lot of anger in your soul, Tyler. By giving your life to God your pain will vanish with tears for your sorrow. Kneel down and pray I beg of you, it is your only hope to unleash the bonds the devils have placed on you.

Anyone else think Kevin McGuire's post sounded like one of the infamous Borg(Windows user..) greeting?

"Resistance is futile~!"

Really, These religious threads are quite annoying, Fiction has no place on this forum.. And It "IS" fiction unless you can prove otherwise.

Keep it on another forum

Perhaps join the wackos over at http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/ ?

Tyler wrote: Imagine how you would feel if the entire world told you the world was flat? Then you tell them it's round, provide what you think is ample evidence and argue the toss for hours; they then say "The world is flat obviously, it is impossible to prove otherwise". Would you not feel frustrated in your atempts to prove what you think is truth? Now this is not an argument either way for religion, but i am shocked you cannot understand what it is like to feel the frustation felt when someone states the blatantly stupid and won't listen to reason.

Whenever somebody embarks on a crusade you can be sure of one thing: There is more at work than the pure light of reason - even if they are not aware of it (and self knowledge is not usually the strong point of the militants on either side).

mathematician wrote:

Tyler wrote: Imagine how you would feel if the entire world told you the world was flat? Then you tell them it's round, provide what you think is ample evidence and argue the toss for hours; they then say "The world is flat obviously, it is impossible to prove otherwise". Would you not feel frustrated in your atempts to prove what you think is truth? Now this is not an argument either way for religion, but i am shocked you cannot understand what it is like to feel the frustation felt when someone states the blatantly stupid and won't listen to reason.

Whenever somebody embarks on a crusade you can be sure of one thing: There is more at work than the pure light of reason - even if they are not aware of it (and self knowledge is not usually the strong point of the militants on either side).

I wasn't trying to make a correct statement... just trying to allude kevin to the feeling of hopelessness associated with the complete believe of your being right in the face of stubbornness.

Umm... and that was more like a scientific discovery that further advanced our knowledge and understanding of the world. Which is exactly why I can not understand how proving that the bible or God is mythology is going to help you.

The only basis I could imagine you are fixated on is that you have been lied to. Of course you will get lied to all though out life. Being lied to about some religious matter should hardly be any concern when taking into context marriage, work, and social things. Do you not have bigger fish to fry?

I am still trying to figure out what could taint someone so much as to write:
Tempting offer... but i'm all packed and setup for hell i am afraid. After playing the Columbine Tech RPG and finding out Hell is just like Doom, well i can't wait.

I think we do have some people who need religion in their lives..

Kevin McGuire wrote:Umm... and that was more like a scientific discovery that further advanced our knowledge and understanding of the world. Which is exactly why I can not understand how proving that the bible or God is mythology is going to help you.

The only basis I could imagine you are fixated on is that you have been lied to. Of course you will get lied to all though out life. Being lied to about some religious matter should hardly be any concern when taking into context marriage, work, and social things. Do you not have bigger fish to fry?

I am still trying to figure out what could taint someone so much as to write:
Tempting offer... but i'm all packed and setup for hell i am afraid. After playing the Columbine Tech RPG and finding out Hell is just like Doom, well i can't wait.

I think we do have some people who need religion in their lives..

Ok well take my word for it... if you have ever felt frustration over anything stupid, that is how people who argue the toss that God isn't real feel. I don't because i'm not fussed either way, i've stated at least three times that i don't want to change anyones mind. Also my comment about Columbine Tech was made, firstly because i thought that was a kick @$$ ending to a boring game and secondly because i was unsure how serious you were being with your repent comment.

Ok well take my word for it... if you have ever felt frustration over anything stupid... <snip> ...

Your just like that idiot that causes us not to be able to say the Pledge Of Allegiance in our schools, because you are so hypersensitive to fictional beliefs.

I remember saying the pledge and actually liked it. It made me feel like I was a part of something really great. The stunning part would be that I was less than fourteen years old. I also wondered why we never said it anymore a few years later on..? I think it was about eight years later when I realized why.

You might also be like the people who are in such dreadful fear that their the clauses in their First Amendment are going to vanish by doing so. Oooh.. My child is learning of God.. No.. Stop... You will ruin our perfect home... They must learn nothing of it.. We are being tortured by our child learning of it. Yet the same child will turn on the TV and see some of the most advanced sexual messages you could possibly imagine, and including violence mixed in.

And if you want to take another look at life by removing the mythology of love in place of sex since you have such forced scientific reasoning on life then I can tell you that what you will learn will most likely be earth shaking in your hypersensitive world, but from someone making a reference to Columbine I imagine you are to blind to it to understand.