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I was quite the n00b back then, wasn't I.......

I thought he meant literally, dowload games .

Calum wrote: I'm in grade 9 this year in Queensland. The reason that most of us choose to attend high-school is because we value the social interaction and the teachers can help on more levels than your parents probably could, unless of course they are retired teachers...

@ Crazed123: It's also virtually impossible to obtain an OP (Overall Position, on a 1-25 scale [1 being highest, 25 being lowest] which is used to get you into different Uni courses), as you can't be properly monitered by an impartial third party. And even if they made you go back into school to sit the tests etc, what would be the point?

Most of the kids who have been home schooled in Primary (Elementary school for US people) school come into High school and A) can't make friends, B) Become total social outcasts.

@ Stephen: Just remember Matthew...

And unless you have a learning disability or light eversion or really contagious disease then you're probably robbing yourself of social development necessary to survive in life outside of school, where, believe it or not, you actually have to talk to other people!

My 2 cents anyways, thanks

What is this "social interaction" you speak of? I fully plan on interacting with other human beings, and in fact most homeschoolers aren't cooped up in their houses all day. I'm just wondering what exactly a high schooler's definition of "social interaction" is, because I've never been a normal high schooler and don't know and because I want to know how it compares to what I've seen in high schools.

What exactly is this "Overall Position" scale and when did it become the One and Only Way to get into Universities? For starters, what country are you in? And the point would be to take the damned tests and get into University without the hell that is high school.

Your country's homeschoolers become total social outcasts when most of them enter "normal" high school? Have you ever wondered why and perhaps looked around at the high school social environment for a reason?

Robbing oneself of social development my foot. As I said above, most homeschoolers don't spend their lives in their houses doing exact duplicates of normal schoolwork. Most of them have fun and friends. I might have light aversion, though.

The OP scale is used in Queensland, Australia, and it is a combination of the grades you get in five of your subjects, and the mark you get in the Core Skills Test. You are then given a number between 1 and 25, one being the best. You can then get into a university course if you get lower than its cut-off mark. For example, if you want to do engineering, you might need a 6 or lower.

-Stephen

Crazed123 wrote:
What is this "social interaction" you speak of? I fully plan on interacting with other human beings, and in fact most homeschoolers aren't cooped up in their houses all day. I'm just wondering what exactly a high schooler's definition of "social interaction" is, because I've never been a normal high schooler and don't know and because I want to know how it compares to what I've seen in high schools.

What exactly is this "Overall Position" scale and when did it become the One and Only Way to get into Universities? For starters, what country are you in? And the point would be to take the damned tests and get into University without the hell that is high school.

Your country's homeschoolers become total social outcasts when most of them enter "normal" high school? Have you ever wondered why and perhaps looked around at the high school social environment for a reason?

Robbing oneself of social development my foot. As I said above, most homeschoolers don't spend their lives in their houses doing exact duplicates of normal schoolwork. Most of them have fun and friends. I might have light aversion, though.

A) not having experianced the proper classroom situation before [that is; taking turns to speak, and that the teacher isn't constantly at your beck and call] they are ridiculed and ostracised.

B) Also, in regards to the OP system, as Stephen explained above, it is pivotal to University entry here in Oz. You can undertake Vocational Education training at a TAFE, but unless you take night school to repeat grades 11 and 12 you can't really get into uni. The tests are as much a knowledge test as an aptitude test, in that all knowedge learnt from grade 8 upwards adds towards how well you perform on the test. Also, it has data interpretation on it, so from grade 8 onwards we learn how to do all that kind of junk...

C) By social interaction I mean extra-curricular activities during lunch breaks (recess) where you meet new people/ strengthen relationships with friends etc. Also inter-school and other forms of school based sport are great ways to interact socially, but being home-schooled you miss out on this kind of experience. Not to say you can't do a club sport (just so you don't get me for that) either. Even just forming groups with your peers during classes to do a science experiment, or complete an activity also benefits you.

D) I'm not personally attacking you, but from the my personal experiances here, I'm basically saying "As if you would." If you think it's better than a Public School, then go for your coight.

What do you mean by "Your country's homeschoolers become total social outcasts when most of them enter "normal" high school? Have you ever wondered why and perhaps looked around at the high school social environment for a reason?" As said, they pretty much outcast themselves by acting inapproprately and anti-socially because they beleive that they can do better things themselves.

I want to re-inforce what I have said above. I'm not attacking you. I'm sure that you're a perfectly nice person. Also remember that coming from different countries we're probably in different situations

Thanks,

Calum

Is highschool the same as university?
Then i am going to join it too, in october.
I will have to return to my civil-duty-job in the "holidays" because the 9 months that young men in germany are made to spend either in the army or on civil duty won't be full until then
But i am glad that i can start studying at all!
I am really looking forward to it

Freanan wrote: Is highschool the same as university?
Then i am going to join it too, in october.
I will have to return to my civil-duty-job in the "holidays" because the 9 months that young men in germany are made to spend either in the army or on civil duty won't be full until then
But i am glad that i can start studying at all!
I am really looking forward to it

Short answer: No

Wel at least not for me. Where I am (Brizzie, QLD, Australia), the system works like this: Primary School- grades 1-7 (age 5 to 12), High School- Grades 8-12 (13 to 17) and Uni is anywhere after that.

I am so glad that we don't have to do Civil Service. I could join the Army Cadets, or the Reserves or the Regular army when I'm 18, but at least it ain't compulsory. But I don't know, it could be fun

Cheers,

Calum

Calum wrote: B) Also, in regards to the OP system, as Stephen explained above, it is pivotal to University entry here in Oz.

Thats not completly correct. In Quensland, we have the OP system (1-25, 1 being the best), and in New South Wales, they have the High School Certificate (1-100, 100 being the best). As for all the other states, i'm not sure

-Stephen

Freanan wrote: Is highschool the same as university?

It's more like what, in the German system, would be called the "Gymnasiale Oberstufe".

Those anglo systems make my head spin. And now we even have to put up with their bachelor / master degrees and give up our long-standing diplomas... ::)

Solar wrote:

Freanan wrote: Is highschool the same as university?

Those anglo systems make my head spin. And now we even have to put up with their bachelor / master degrees and give up our long-standing diplomas... ::)

I'm sort of not happy with the term "bachelor". A bachelor used to refer to somebody who was single and looking for a girlfriend. In around 6 months' time I'll be a bachelor with a girlfriend. That just doesn't make sense.

As well as having special terms for "1-st year", "second-year" etc, asking me whether I'm a sophomore or a junior? Just call it by it's name, second-year, third-year or whatever. No point in being confusing.

Candy wrote:No point in being confusing.

You know, considering that UNIX was given birth in US universities, I smell a fish here.

Calum wrote: A) not having experianced the proper classroom situation before [that is; taking turns to speak, and that the teacher isn't constantly at your beck and call] they are ridiculed and ostracised.

B) Also, in regards to the OP system, as Stephen explained above, it is pivotal to University entry here in Oz. You can undertake Vocational Education training at a TAFE, but unless you take night school to repeat grades 11 and 12 you can't really get into uni. The tests are as much a knowledge test as an aptitude test, in that all knowedge learnt from grade 8 upwards adds towards how well you perform on the test. Also, it has data interpretation on it, so from grade 8 onwards we learn how to do all that kind of junk...

C) By social interaction I mean extra-curricular activities during lunch breaks (recess) where you meet new people/ strengthen relationships with friends etc. Also inter-school and other forms of school based sport are great ways to interact socially, but being home-schooled you miss out on this kind of experience. Not to say you can't do a club sport (just so you don't get me for that) either. Even just forming groups with your peers during classes to do a science experiment, or complete an activity also benefits you.

D) I'm not personally attacking you, but from the my personal experiances here, I'm basically saying "As if you would." If you think it's better than a Public School, then go for your coight.

What do you mean by "Your country's homeschoolers become total social outcasts when most of them enter "normal" high school? Have you ever wondered why and perhaps looked around at the high school social environment for a reason?" As said, they pretty much outcast themselves by acting inapproprately and anti-socially because they beleive that they can do better things themselves.

I want to re-inforce what I have said above. I'm not attacking you. I'm sure that you're a perfectly nice person. Also remember that coming from different countries we're probably in different situations

Thanks,

Calum

You seem to have a situation in Australia that is the opposite of ours in America in these ways:

A) Homeschoolers are unable to handle a "normal" environment because they don't seem to understand it and lack the pattern-matching skills to figure it out by observation (or listening when the rules are read OR reading the paper with them on it). Here homeschoolers are perfectly aware of what a "normal" school environment is like, even when they've never been in one.

B) Here taking the national college-entrance tests such as the ACT and SAT is allowed for homeschoolers, and in many places the school district is REQUIRED to allow it even if they don't want to. In other words, we can take the exams (and I will this year) without being in school. There are some state exams (like New York's Regents) that homeschoolers are permitted to take, as well.

C) In America homeschoolers will oftentimes form their OWN clubs and teams and things, while school students will be stuck with what their school begrudges them.

D) I understand that you're not personally attacking me . However, what's a "coight'? Simply to make a point, I would just like to state that for Americans, at least, forcing a bunch of unwilling teenagers to deal with each other every day usually doesn't have good results in the long term.

E) What I mean is (see D) that the high school environment isn't necessarily a good one, or if it is good then it isn't necessarily the standard that other environments should be measured by. This is only personal opinion, but it is my ardent viewpoint that you shouldn't evaluate homeschooling by how well it prepares people for the alternative to homeschooling. Furthermore, from your words it seems as though homeschoolers in Australia have the opposite maturity of American homeschoolers: The Australians go into the "wide world" and are immature/antisocial, while the American homeschoolers are considered the most austoundingly mature Americans under 18 in many cases.

Another difference between the countries is that nowadays not as many American homeschoolers go back into school for the high school years.

Wow, seems like crossing national borders makes a huge difference!

Ok, this has been really interesting your right, it does seem to be the exact opposite.

BTW, 'coight' is Austalian slang, probably shouldn't be using slang here but the phrase 'go for your coight' literally means 'go for your life', although 'coight' means backside, strangely.

Cheers,

Calum

I am about a normal high-schooler. And I like going to school to see all my friends... lie on the field and go to sleep in class. Stuff like that.

[Nelson voice]HA-HA![/Nelson voice]