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I wonder if this is actually an social engineering attempt...

A little strange that someone who claims to administer Windows and Active Directory for a living professes to have no interest in "Micro$oft". (I think that word gives a clue to the age of the author.) I smell something bovine.

Combuster wrote:I wonder if this is actually an social engineering attempt...

It's not, but how do I prove it ?
Social engineering for what ? I would like to only to receive a form with the experience of a person and I already said you can create a temporary email address If you are afraid of being scammed. So, I get a temporary address and your experience in PHP. Where's the social engineering here ?

iansjack wrote:A little strange that someone who claims to administer Windows and Active Directory for a living professes to have no interest in "Micro$oft". (I think that word gives a clue to the age of the author.) I smell something bovine.

You may smell whatever you want. I hate Microsoft and I work here to pay my bills and have an income to live.

I applaud your work ethic. Most people retire long before they are 90.

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Combuster wrote:I wonder if this is actually an social engineering attempt...

It's not, but how do I prove it ?
Social engineering for what ? I would like to only to receive a form with the experience of a person and I already said you can create a temporary email address If you are afraid of being scammed. So, I get a temporary address and your experience in PHP. Where's the social engineering here ?

How to prove it? Let's get into action soon, and the results will prove the whole situation.

As for PHP, I certainly know a fairly good amount about it (but not my specialty of choice), enough to, for instance, make some modifications to phpBB 3.0.11, or to implement a simple but complete Nullsoft's ICY SHOUTcast MP3 serving script (with option to show song title or not, although not yet resumable in real time, just random-picked songs).
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I would prefer becoming more expert in C, C++, low level programming, understanding many algorithms for graphics, sound, compression, encryption, memory and CPU management, etc...; understanding programs such as Firefox and a lot of others used daily and open source; and OS development, and then combine it with JavaScript, PHP or Java to create much better documentation.

If you can offer it in conjunction with others, I am definitely interested in this project.


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hyp3rkyd wrote:noone would ask you to stop what you're doing. I am trying to build a limited club of interesting people. That does not require you to stop something else. Even though I like chats, many times I cannot catch up with the discussion there. Discussions that are being made in chat rooms are only temporary; They give you the knowledge you want in 10 minutes and then they disappear.
If we considering the majority of collaboration tools out there, we will see that chat is only an additional tool. Most of them (I work in a company with 50k people worldwide) will communicate in boards like this one and so far it's the best way to do this. Applications like teambox, asana, trello work on a kind of private internal social feed. And I guess it works.

I am risking to be sound arrogant, but If I build this, I will not let everyone in. Just like MENSA is for brain geeks, there will be a challenge to pass and it will not be easy for everyone. But I am looking forward to hear that people that will be members, will be extremely happy and proud about that.

You are entitled to do this project as you see fit.

At least as for me, I would gather and document what I get to see in a chat, so it doesn't get lost.

I don't know if I would be capable of passing the challenge you are talking about, not because of lack of intelligence but for a lack of advanced knowledge and experience.

In any case, it would be better to, in case of not being in this group, that what you do becomes public.

Otherwise it would be just another "secret" group of programmers and wouldn't be truly beneficial. It could become more of an ego exercise, and at least as for me, I leave my ego completely aside, when it comes to improve my knowledge.

Also, intelligence can be trained and cultivated in general, so there should be an opportunity to improve in a smaller group; otherwise, a lot of us are still left out instead of cultivating more collective knowlede.

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hyp3rkyd wrote:

Combuster wrote:I wonder if this is actually an social engineering attempt...

It's not, but how do I prove it ?
Social engineering for what ? I would like to only to receive a form with the experience of a person and I already said you can create a temporary email address If you are afraid of being scammed. So, I get a temporary address and your experience in PHP. Where's the social engineering here ?

How to prove it? Let's get into action soon, and the results will prove the whole situation.

As for PHP, I certainly know a fairly good amount about it (but not my specialty of choice), enough to, for instance, make some modifications to phpBB 3.0.11, or to implement a simple but complete Nullsoft's ICY SHOUTcast MP3 serving script (with option to show song title or not, although not yet resumable in real time, just random-picked songs).
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I would prefer becoming more expert in C, C++, low level programming, understanding many algorithms for graphics, sound, compression, encryption, memory and CPU management, etc...; understanding programs such as Firefox and a lot of others used daily and open source; and OS development, and then combine it with JavaScript, PHP or Java to create much better documentation.

If you can offer it in conjunction with others, I am definitely interested in this project.


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hyp3rkyd wrote:noone would ask you to stop what you're doing. I am trying to build a limited club of interesting people. That does not require you to stop something else. Even though I like chats, many times I cannot catch up with the discussion there. Discussions that are being made in chat rooms are only temporary; They give you the knowledge you want in 10 minutes and then they disappear.
If we considering the majority of collaboration tools out there, we will see that chat is only an additional tool. Most of them (I work in a company with 50k people worldwide) will communicate in boards like this one and so far it's the best way to do this. Applications like teambox, asana, trello work on a kind of private internal social feed. And I guess it works.

I am risking to be sound arrogant, but If I build this, I will not let everyone in. Just like MENSA is for brain geeks, there will be a challenge to pass and it will not be easy for everyone. But I am looking forward to hear that people that will be members, will be extremely happy and proud about that.

You are entitled to do this project as you see fit.

At least as for me, I would gather and document what I get to see in a chat, so it doesn't get lost.

I don't know if I would be capable of passing the challenge you are talking about, not because of lack of intelligence but for a lack of advanced knowledge and experience.

In any case, it would be better to, in case of not being in this group, that what you do becomes public.

Otherwise it would be just another "secret" group of programmers and wouldn't be truly beneficial. It could become more of an ego exercise, and at least as for me, I leave my ego completely aside, when it comes to improve my knowledge.

Also, intelligence can be trained and cultivated in general, so there should be an opportunity to improve in a smaller group; otherwise, a lot of us are still left out instead of cultivating more collective knowlede.

Your intentions are clear and you seem to have a lot of will. But there are many things apart from that. My opinion is that being a good programmer nowadays, is all about getting the "programming" way of thinking, be organised and learn to use google. In most forums I've been a member of, there were always people that were saying "open a book and read" with sarcasm. Or there were also others that were throwing mud and trolling the posting timeline with ****.

I 've posted simple questions in stack overflow several times but I didn't get a reply. What's the problem ? There will be always people (especially in public communities) that will think "I made 10 years to learn php and you want to learn it in 4 months? no way..." and do not reply at all. There is also a chaos of posts so If something doesn't get on your attention instantly, cases are that it will be lost forever.

So for me, open communities work great when they work organised and have something to offer. An opened discussion probably won't interest many people If it's only theory. And If I or any other will request help on a project of himself, might not want to disclose all code because of security and copyright infringement reasons. A team can work first privately, then publicly.

The inspiration for this team came to me in mind when I decided to give the MENSA test. I thought, there are thousands of geniuses out there that speak publicly in cafes or in public gatherings and exchange ideas. But this organisation, gathers the elite of extremely smart people and build up on that. They organise private meetings to discuss specific things and that doesn't limit their knowledge. It does not only limit their knowledge actually, but it offers a targeted and time limited discussion between people with something similar ; their IQ score.

I am going too long on that but think of something: You have a question in PHP and ask for it in a general programming forum. Chances are that it might not get answered, or someone will be sarcastic on you and If people do help finally, you proceed on a tortoise pace. On the other side, imagine a group of let's say 20 people that see your question in an organised area. They do care to help you because you did helped them also. They share the same idea with you: QUALITY knowledge exchange with no limits.

Following your "wanna-do's", I want to learn to build quality applications in web and mobile media. I am not interested at all in windows o/s because I do not find nothing really interesting. I want to be able to use a framework at 100% along with other tools - Javascript, html5, ajax & json. And I want to be really fast and focused on the right path. I always admired data mining also. I would love to be the person to invent Facebook. I admire also the Anonymous group and I wish I could do all they can do but not for illegal purposes.

EDIT: the "geek squad" is not going to be built overnight. It will build up slowly with patience and a lot of communication and will.

So you're after a mastermind group? I wish you luck, they're very useful.

I sort of have access to one myself, in the form an IRC channel for network engineers that just sort happened with a few friends. We were having all these conversations about networking via private chats, and then I figured, why not everybody talk at once in the same channel, so we did and it worked. And I think that's how these things best grow: organically. It's not really something that's constructed, it's grown from a group of friends getting together and helping each other out with problems.

JackScott wrote:So you're after a mastermind group? I wish you luck, they're very useful.

I sort of have access to one myself, in the form an IRC channel for network engineers that just sort happened with a few friends. We were having all these conversations about networking via private chats, and then I figured, why not everybody talk at once in the same channel, so we did and it worked. And I think that's how these things best grow: organically. It's not really something that's constructed, it's grown from a group of friends getting together and helping each other out with problems.

Thank you very much.
A mastermind group. Exactly what you're saying.

~ wrote:I would be interested in joining a real-time chat to share what I'm doing, but it should be fairly active and fairly public so it has good impact (regular visit from several other like-minded programmers would be enough).

Are they by any chance buried always in Freenode?

What is lacking is a real-time set of chat rooms for being able to keep enthusiastic even at the most tedious stages of development, to make one's work immediately available in an adequate way, and I have also seen programming chat rooms in IRC platform. Not that it can't be learned, but it is an additional learning delay.

Join #osdev.

I think there is a misapprehension here that the OP is interested in OS development. Understandable, as this is a site devoted to OS development, but all the evidence points to the contrary.

iansjack wrote:I think there is a misapprehension here that the OP is interested in OS development. Understandable, as this is a site devoted to OS development, but all the evidence points to the contrary.

The OP seems to be interested in PHP and M$.

any volunteers?

I agree with dozniak, If this is OSdev related then I don't understand how this is different from #osdev irc.