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The only thing still under discussion is to what extend mankind contributed to it

And how bad it's effects are going to be.

The northern hemisphere showed some signs of local warming in some areas but it ceased around 1990, the northern hemisphere has been getting cooler ever since.

HAHAHAHAHAH! Thats a good one, I'll bet you get laughs with that.

How about this - Read the material (RTFM), read the reports, read the publications, data, etc. Then tell me it's not real.

-JL

Solar wrote:No reputable scientist still doubts the existence of global warming. The only thing still under discussion is to what extend mankind contributed to it.

Nonsense, get your facts straight son. There is no scientific evidence for global warming. There is some evidence for local warming in some parts of the northern hemisphere. There is equal evidence for sothern hemisphere cooling, making your 'global warming' nonsense. Did you bother looking at the links I provided? You are partially right in that MOST (not ALL) reputable scientists agree the NORTHERN hemisphere (not globe) has increased in temperature by about .5 a degree in the past 100 years. But theres many problems with the data gathered. Climate, more accurately WEATHER, is always changing. Climatologists cannot accurately predict next months weather. What makes you think they can predict what the weather will be like in 100 years? 50 years? next year? next week? The gloom and doom scenerios of climactic destruction are based on compuer models, what ifs, theres no evidence the global is headed for climactic meltdown. The weather has and will continue to change dramatically forever. While MOST (not all) reputable scientists agree that the northern hemisphere has heated by about .5 a degree in the past century, the heating stopped in 1990 and has been cooling ever since. Your 'global warming' stopped a decade ago. The northern hemisphere warming by .5 degree that began a century ago was preceded by what is known as the 'mini-ice age' or the 'year without summer'. It takes no brains pick a point in history up until now and say 'the global is warming'. It's equally as easy to pick a different point in history until now and say 'the global is cooling'. Greenland was once green and farmed, its now covered in ice. Does this mean there is global cooling? Should we be alarmed? If you want a healthy understanding of the political 'global warming' movement then you need to study the various points of view. Some literary suggestions for the ill-informed: 'The Politicially Incorrect Guide To Global Warming' by Christopher Horner and 'The Really Inconvenient Truths' by Iain Murray. The 'global warming' movement is political. The same politicians that are trying to control things via 'global warming' were trying the same ploy 30 years ago, except last time it was 'global cooling'. The 'global warming' scare is what happens when politicians attempt to meddle in science. During the 70's they had the population schizophrenic over 'global cooling' and even suggested that to combat the 'global cooling' we should spread ashes over the ice caps to melt them.

As you pointed out, the climate of this planet is always changing. The odds are a bit better than 50% that we are in a warming trend, currently.
But the point is: nobody should care.
Climate change is inevitable. If you don't like the current climate -- wait 500 years, and it will change. If you do like the current climate, that's just tough. In the entire history of this planet, the climate has never remained constant. Accepting inevitable things (like change) is good for your mental health.

tantrikwizard wrote:I have a different POV about humanity. We are beautiful, innovative, artistic and creative. We've made vast strides to understanding the nature of reality with science which has cured thousands of diseases and saved millions of lives. We've erradicated diseases of humans and animals and have protected species that would have otherwise gone extinct. We've enahnced nature beyond what is possible with the untamed evolutionary process. Evolution is not perfect, its a 'hit or miss' process where things that work continue (not neccessarily things that are best). Untamed nature, though beautiful in it's own right, is not neccessarily ideal.

I'll not agree with that! SORRY for the following post, I warn you. Do not read, if you don't want to be disgusted!

What you call beautiful is ppl. The people always seems themselves and no care for other life. If someone got killed, it a news. If you kill the ****-roach in the bath, that is nothing. When you go buy flowers you think they are beautiful and that they are death don't bother you, but if your girl dies (hope she is beautiful) it will be the end of your world. No, the people are not beautiful, innovative, artistic and creative. They are just selfish and if they want something, they get it no matter what the cost. And most ppl are curious how certain things in the nature works. Others see the power of mother nature and they want to be powerful, too. So the progress is just excuse for the selfishness of the people.
Talking about killing a ****-roach. Yes, we say they are disgusting and it's bad to have some in your home. Now when you go to the WC, fetch from the toilet some shits. They smell, they are bad, they comes from your body. The shits, the sweat, the uric, everything is so dirty and you say that the ****-roach is disgusting. Just look in the mirror. We destroy in a years something built by the nature millеniums. Instead of using our minds to built and upgrade, we use it to find how something work, then throw it away if not gives a power.

tantrikwizard wrote:Nonsense, get your facts straight son.

One, I'm not your "son".

Two, I won't discuss this with you any more than I would (...well... should...) discuss evolution with a Creationist.

Three, the people I do (and did) discuss this with are meteorologists, people with an academic degree in the very field they are talking about, and we discussed the subject in an academic environment because it touched on the subject of my studies (Biology).

Four, if you want to impress me with links, let it be first, or at minimum, second-hand data. Not some press release of someone talking about someone else who made a study on a third party's data, or even you trying yourself at what e.g. Wikipedia rejects as "original research".

Whoa hold on now everyone.

1) Global warming does exist.
2) It's not entirely man-made.
3) Man-babies like to disagree because of whatever.

But if this were a retard competition, Masterkiller takes the cake.

What you call beautiful is ppl. The people always seems themselves and no care for other life. If someone got killed, it a news. If you kill the ****-roach in the bath, that is nothing.

Well yeah, because I'm not a cockroach. Also if you have cockroaches in your bath maybe you should clean your bath.

When you go buy flowers you think they are beautiful and that they are death don't bother you, but if your girl dies (hope she is beautiful) it will be the end of your world.

Lol is this even english, I guess you have roaches in your bath because you live in some 3rd-world shithole.

No, the people are not beautiful, innovative, artistic and creative. They are just selfish and if they want something, they get it no matter what the cost. And most ppl are curious how certain things in the nature works. Others see the power of mother nature and they want to be powerful, too. So the progress is just excuse for the selfishness of the people.

What does it matter if we as a species are selfish? How does it benefit us to leave our environment alone, aside from basic resource conservation so we don't run out of things?

Talking about killing a ****-roach. Yes, we say they are disgusting and it's bad to have some in your home. Now when you go to the WC, fetch from the toilet some shits. They smell, they are bad, they comes from your body. The shits, the sweat, the uric, everything is so dirty and you say that the ****-roach is disgusting. Just look in the mirror. We destroy in a years something built by the nature millеniums. Instead of using our minds to built and upgrade, we use it to find how something work, then throw it away if not gives a power.

"Ughh people are so disgusting and they destroy things"
Go smoke a bowl you hippie, and take your postmodern human-hate with you.

You know, normally when people say stuff like that I think "that guy's such a jackass" but this time, you're completely right. I don't know what kind of **** this guy's experienced but this is some kind of twisted rant about cockroaches.

Haven't seen stuff like this pumped out since cotton.

Masterkiller wrote:I'll not agree with that! SORRY for the following post, I warn you. Do not read, if you don't want to be disgusted!

Wow, you have a very negative outlook on reality. It would not surprise me if you wasted a significant portion of your life voicing your disgust of the world in a psychiatrist chair.

It takes no brains to appreciate humanity. The majority of the vast cosmos is empty space (more than 99.99%). Of the more than 99% empty space there resides some matter in the form of planets, starts, nebula, and basic physical 'stuff'. Of all the known trillions of observable planets (stuff) of the vast empty space there exists a speck of a planet capable of preserving life...earth. In comparison of the known matter of the cosmos to the mass of the earth, the mass of the earth is negligible, insignificant, meaningless. Yet in this meaningless spec of matter in the cosmos there exists the further rarity of life. In this unknown vast empty that presents a single speck of life, there exist a handful of life forms, one of which is human. Humans have special characteristics distinguishing them from other life forms including a self awareness and understanding of the cosmos to manipulate it to our needs. We've made vast (though not complete) strides in understanding the nature of this reality in which we live and there is none more complex, nor delicate known. If you do not appreciate humans as being the most biologically complex known beings in the cosmos, and likewise do not appreciate the level of human understanding of the cosmos, then logically you will not appreciate anything else in the cosmos. You hate everything, there is no hope for you, psychotropic drugs may help.

tantrikwizard wrote:Of all the known trillions of observable planets (stuff) of the vast empty space there exists a speck of a planet capable of preserving life...earth.

...that we know of. Which serves to show one of the uglier character traits of humans: They think they are somehow the center of the universe.

Humans have special characteristics distinguishing them from other life forms including a self awareness and understanding of the cosmos to manipulate it to our needs.

Ugly character trait #2: Loss of scale. We cannot "manipulate the cosmos", we can exploit a couple of things on our tiny, meaningless planet.

What we have not developed is:

a) a sense as to when it's better not to exploit certain things because this planet and its resources is all we have, and

b) some form of certainty that our children will have something remotely similar to our lifestyle to look forward to.

I also don't really buy into this "self-awareness" definition, and that it should apply to humans only. All in all, I think there's many a dolphin who's living a happier life than most humans on this planet.

We've made vast (though not complete) strides in understanding the nature of this reality in which we live...

...yet still we wage war on each other, live in fear of losing everything, and let people (who are conveniently on the other end of the globe) poison our world so we can have cheap DVD recorders...

If you do not appreciate humans as being the most biologically complex known beings in the cosmos...

"Most biologically complex"?

Humans are, from a biological standpoint, just another mammal, with an otherwise unremarkable DNA / organism.

...and likewise do not appreciate the level of human understanding of the cosmos...

I know that I know nothing.
-- Socrates

...then logically you will not appreciate anything else in the cosmos.

I do. I can appreciate the complex physics involved in a supernova, or marvel at the simplicist beauty of a retrovirus. I appreciate fine arts, music, nature, a day with my kids, my wonderful wife. I like a piece of well-crafted source code, or an intelligent discussion.

I just don't appreciate how full of oneself some humans are, or how stupid on average.

Masterkiller wrote:Talking about killing a ****-roach. Yes, we say they are disgusting and it's bad to have some in your home. Now when you go to the WC, fetch from the toilet some shits. They smell, they are bad, they comes from your body. The shits, the sweat, the uric, everything is so dirty and you say that the ****-roach is disgusting. Just look in the mirror. We destroy in a years something built by the nature millеniums. Instead of using our minds to built and upgrade, we use it to find how something work, then throw it away if not gives a power.

So... you don't throw out your sh!t? That would explain the cockroaches