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Inx has some good points.

I really dislike the high amount of memory and cpu kde and gnome are eating. So I used icewm and now xfce on Debian and Xubuntu because it has better config tools.

But there are nice things developed with kde and gnome base I dont want to miss. For example K3B or Konqueror from kde.

But for the look I prefer this:
http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... eskjo6.jpg
Its xfce! just to make sure.

And we dont need to talk about the "feel" with "start menus" who have loading times on high end machines.

Perhaps with better standard keys I would use ion, too.

I'd still just go with xfce. But if you're looking between KDE and GNOME you might like to see what Linus Thorvalds says maybe:

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabilit ... 00021.html

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabilit ... 00022.html

Basicly, if I am to believe what people say, I can neither use Gnome or KDE. Apperently Gnome lacks features and I can see that this might be true, however KDE is a overkill of features which I don't need and will probably only confuse me further.

Bottom line, as it looks now, I think XFCE is the way to go and at first that probably won't be a problem, however I have experienced trouble with various software which not work on Gnome, only KDE and this probably also happens the other way around. So basicly I dare not think of the trouble I might get in when switching to XFCE.

And people wonder why some have trouble switching to Linux?

I think you should, if starting a religious argument, use each view to make your own decision, and not take all criticisms as absolute truth, otherwise I wouldn't be using windows OR linux OR MacOSX!

There is so much criticism about, one has to make up one's own mind.

I agree, but when an oppinion seems to be more or less generel, it's often worth listening to it.

I have been using gnome mostly the rare periodes when I have been using linux, and it's been ok, though I agree that some of the tools included are more or less useless, but really, I've cared much for gnome and have only been using it because I didn't like KDE. So basicly I have to choose between two enviroments that I don't really care for. That is, I could use another enviroment and the reason that my first choice was XFCE of course was that it's somewhat popular. Even the most popular linux distribution of all time (I think), Ubuntu, has a variant using XFCE.

As I said, I've never actually used XFCE, but if I have to consider the things I've read, the creenshots I've seen and my limited experience with Gnome and KDE, it's really the only obious alternative.

I personally like the Gnome interface as it is very simplistic and minimalistic which is good for me. I dont like having HUGE icons everywhere, I just like the few root menues at the top.

What I would REALLY like is if I could find an IDE + Compiler + Linker to create Glade interfaces with the programming all in on IDE.

01000101 wrote:What I would REALLY like is if I could find an IDE + Compiler + Linker to create Glade interfaces with the programming all in on IDE.

Anjuta - http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/

but (oh i mean) an executable with glade need some kind of xml file, which exist outside of binary.

Anjunta is supposted to be (for what i know) using in junction with the glade interface creator to provide the backend.