Microsoft's marketing isn't that great.

frank · Post by **frank** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:52 pm

Trinka wrote:I've used Vista for half year, and I loved it. The only bad thing is that it's slooow. That's why I gave up and moved back to XP.

I love vista too and it is not too slow on my computer. The only real problems that I have are that explorer crashes about 2-3 times a day, when I haven't restarted the computer in a couple of days. I tried dual booting XP and Vista but since I have a laptop filled up with a bunch of no name hardware I couldn't find enough drivers to make XP usable. I am planning on dual booting with Linux sometime soon though.

Combuster · Post by **Combuster** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:11 pm

I've had the hardware problem on vista's side (when helping with someone's laptop which refused to work with the usb device attached to it) - it ran flawless under XP.

The only bad thing is that it's slooow.

Another impulse for Moore's law. Shame that many people can not be bothered with optimizing things for speed nor size. I can run a well-designed raytracer fullspeed at 800x600 on my Athlon XP while 3DMark barely gets past the 1fps. Someone tell John Carmack to go forth and multiply

I'm sticking with XP/Gentoo for the time being.

Zacariaz · Post by **Zacariaz** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:32 pm

i know ill never shift to vista, id rather program my own os from scratch... wait... osdev.org... something rings a bell, not sure what, ill return when i figure it out

B.E · Post by **B.E** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:26 pm

JamesM wrote:Oh. 'Piece of pi*s'.

No A piece of crap . I know now never to say piece ( to mean piece of crap, it would of help if i spelled piece correct though )

Some problems with it are:
- Way to much memory used on operating system
- Cost way to much
- Buggy as all hell (the main one that is really annoying is the FTP IE7 Bug, try this go to IE7 and FTP to a server that requires a username and password, next either click a folder or a file and you'll see a bug)
- As there is a bug with vista FTP handling, vista does not have a decent FTP client (which I use on a daily bases).
- The start button menu is to confusing (where the **** is the run command).
- Them annoying pop ups telling you that your about to run a program.

JamesM · Post by **JamesM** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:49 am

Some problems with it are:
- Way to much memory used on operating system

Are you sure it's actually used and most of it isn't just set aside for buffers?

- Cost way to much

University licences are fun.

- The start button menu is to confusing (where the **** is the run command).

I do believe they're trying to move away from CLI like interfaces. Does Win+R still work?

- Them annoying pop ups telling you that your about to run a program.

Those ones that tell you a program is about to run as root? It's part of the new 'security features' in vista that have been around in unix OS's for donkey's years. Probably a good thing theyve got them, but people are still just going to click 'yes' and not look at what program is requesting it.

Solar · Post by **Solar** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:03 am

JamesM wrote:
Some problems with it are:
- Way to much memory used on operating system
Are you sure it's actually used and most of it isn't just set aside for buffers?

Since Vista refuses to be installed on e.g. a 128 MByte machine...

University licences are fun.

The fee is still being payed. Depending on your country, either by you (university fee) or the taxpayer.

AndrewAPrice · Post by **AndrewAPrice** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:43 am

Solar wrote:The fee is still being payed. Depending on your country, either by you (university fee) or the taxpayer.

Think of charging the taxpayer as distributed spending.

Solar · Post by **Solar** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:51 am

Looking at my paycheck, it's not that much distributed.

JamesM · Post by **JamesM** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:20 am

They get the licences to Vista N (the business edition) as part of MSDN membership. Yes, they pay a (large) bulk fee for that, but they get all the dev tools as well so I think it's worth it.

kataklinger · Post by **kataklinger** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:33 pm

I've been using Vista for eight months now, and I have never had any problems (not even a slightest glitch). But this is because I have decent undrelaying hardware, not some 3rd grade crap like SHITech Technology's mother board.

Solar wrote: The fee is still being payed. Depending on your country, either by you (university fee) or the taxpayer.

I got licence from university, but it wasn't bouth by their money, but with mine - private university

Zacariaz · Post by **Zacariaz** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:25 pm

kataklinger wrote:I've been using Vista for eight months now, and I have never had any problems (not even a slightest glitch). But this is because I have decent undrelaying hardware, not some 3rd grade crap like SHITech Technology's mother board.

Just a minute there.
I know many poeple who have bought state-of-the-art hardware and still didnt have anything but trouble with vista.

You have been lucky, nothing else.

B.E · Post by **B.E** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:04 am

kataklinger wrote:I've been using Vista for eight months now, and I have never had any problems (not even a slightest glitch). But this is because I have decent undrelaying hardware, not some 3rd grade crap like SHITech Technology's mother board.

Yes this is our point if you need the state of the art hardware to just run vista what happens to the 95% of people who are either on a bugget or who only use the PC to email and don't really care about upgrading to the latest model (this accounts for most users).

Solar wrote: The fee is still being payed. Depending on your country, either by you (university fee) or the taxpayer.

I got licence from university, but it wasn't bouth by their money, but with mine - private university

And as Solar said the fee is still being (either by you or third parties.

JamesM wrote: University licences are fun.

what about the people who don qualify for such licences?

I do believe they're trying to move away from CLI like interfaces. Does Win+R still work?

The Shell is the most powerful part of the operating system, why would you want to remove that power.

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Those ones that tell you a program is about to run as root? It's part of the new 'security features' in vista that have been around in unix OS's for donkey's years. Probably a good thing theyve got them, but people are still just going to click 'yes' and not look at what program is requesting it.

And this is why it actualy causes more problems then it solves. for example, say a trojan runs, and requires admin privileges. Now the OS is going to ask the user for permission, without reading the the dialog, the user clicks yes. Now the OS _has_ to take the user's word that she knows what she is doing.

JamesM · Post by **JamesM** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:26 am

JamesM wrote: University licences are fun.
what about the people who don qualify for such licences?

Sucks to be you! I wouldn't waste any of my hard-earned cash buying any copy of windows. I have not, and never will, purchase a licence willingly. I have only bought 2 unwillingly, and that was as a bundle with (2) new laptops.

JamesM wrote: I do believe they're trying to move away from CLI like interfaces. Does Win+R still work?
The Shell is the most powerful part of the operating system, why would you want to remove that power.

Because without that power you're less likely to bugger things up accidentally!

kataklinger · Post by **kataklinger** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:19 pm

JamesM wrote: I do believe they're trying to move away from CLI like interfaces. Does Win+R still work?

Have you ever heard about W2008 Core Server, just google befor you post.

Tyler · Post by **Tyler** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:42 pm

kataklinger wrote:
JamesM wrote: I do believe they're trying to move away from CLI like interfaces. Does Win+R still work?

Have you ever heard about W2008 Core Server, just google befor you post.

Have you ever heard of Windows Vista Home Edition, Google "target market" before you make more arrogant and stupid posts.