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djnorthyy wrote:First Off. When i am talking about going into town, who said it was me driving? I could be with friends, parents, bor -sis. So your first point doesnt mean anything.

English grammar says. you wrote 'I drive', not 'I am driven'

The picture on my portfolio is a stock photo, and that is not me.

If so, you are at least dishonest by suggesting its you.

So, you really should think about what your saying, before you make accuations!

I can't find any accusations, only a call for explanation. We just figured that you are not telling the whole truth. Your reaction doesn't support your statements either... Be careful you don't trigger the troll detector as well

If you want proof then i will change my site. How else can i prove it?

Harry.

djnorthyy wrote:If you want proof then i will change my site. How else can i prove it?

Harry.

How would this be proof?

Changing your site content will NOT clear up any doubts we might have about you..

djnorthyy wrote:
If you want proof then i will change my site. How else can i prove it?

Harry.

How would this be proof?

What do you want me to do? Tell you which school im at[/quote]

We don't want you to do anything.. Leaving might be a viable option.

Leaving might be a viable option.

Why should I leave, all i have done is told the truth and you dont belive me. That is not my problem any more!

The reason it made my site like it is, is because no one would be intrested in a 13 yr old boy's site. They would just think he got someone else to do it.

Yeah im totally on the kids side... i never thought it was a con or anything, Kevin is just stiring up unneeded rubbish... no one would have said anything, and though perhaps his entire request was a little flawed.. just leave him be.

djnorthyy wrote:
Why should I leave, all i have done is told the truth and you dont belive me. That is not my problem any more!

The reason it made my site like it is, is because no one would be intrested in a 13 yr old boy's site. They would just think he got someone else to do it.

I don't agree with that. I still remember when I was 13 (I'm 25 now, btw) and I couldn't care then and I couldn't care now whether a site was made by a 13 year old or not. The important thing about websites is that one has something to say.

So what are you trying to say with your site?

Because the fun thing is, in the internet be "careful what you say, you just might get it." If you are trying to build attention for yourself (for whatever purpose is irrelevant) but you don't present your real person, you end up building attention to a fictitious person instead, and usually losing trust as a side-effect when people learn the truth.

The other thing I want to say, that it's important to understand the importance of trust in the internet. You might think that it's irrelevant how you behave when you are almost anonymous in the web, but it turns out that specifically for this reason people are going to build a mental image from the small pieces of presentation and behavior.

It's kinda like karma: when you enter a new community in the internet, you have essentially no positive or negative karma in the beginning, but it starts building: every time you do something good, or people find out your done something good elsewhere, they'll trust you more, and be more friendly towards you. Every time you act hostile or try to cheat or mislead people, or people learn you're done so elsewhere, they'll trust you less.

Now Brynet-Inc suggested you'd leave, which you can understand as an expression that he doesn't trust you enough to bother with you anymore. Once that happens, leaving indeed is usually a good choice, unless you're confident that you're able and willing to rebuild that trust.

Personally I don't care if you stay or leave. But if you stay, be honest and humble, both to yourself and those around you.

Tyler wrote:Yeah im totally on the kids side... i never thought it was a con or anything, Kevin is just stiring up unneeded rubbish... no one would have said anything, and though perhaps his entire request was a little flawed.. just leave him be.

You posted while I was working on the above. I wholeheartedly agree with you. This conversation is getting exothermic for no good reason..

Thanks mystran, I have changed my site. If Brynet-Inc doesnt trust me then that is up to him, but i am being honest.

I am sorry if you guys thought it was a con, but i can assure you its not.

Harry

@djnorthyy:
Take it out on me, not Brynet-Inc. I can argue back.

The conversation is not getting extreme. Tyler is just using some weird troll behavior with out making any actual valid point to why he thinks what he thinks.

This is why I think he is using weird troll behavior with our making a point.
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Yeah im totally on the kids side, i never thought it was a con or anything.

Here is his opinion. (Which he makes the entrance into the conversation with.


Kevin is just stiring up unneeded rubbish...

The character assassination.


no one would have said anything, and though perhaps his entire request was a little flawed.. just leave him be.

The down play and we are making a big deal.


Look at it now.

Kevin is just stiring up unneeded rubbish no one would have said anything, and though perhaps his entire request was a little flawed.. just leave him be.

This is his real reason for posting. Which it apparently looks as if tyler agrees with us? How is this. Yet look again at his first sentence.


Yeah im totally on the kids side, i never thought it was a con or anything.

Seems like a contradiction to me.

So Tyler explain these two parts to me:
1. Yeah im totally on the kids side, i never thought it was a con or anything.
2. Kevin is just stiring up unneeded rubbish. No one would have said anything, and though perhaps his entire request was a little flawed.. just leave him be.

Here are the parts of the whole that could be flawed:
1. I dont know if this is the right forum to post this.
2. I was wondering if anyone had a copy of MMURTL in PDF
3. and could e-mail it to me at [email protected].
4. I know you think this is scrouging
5. but I am a 13 yrs old and have a very limited budget!

Or maybe you mean the whole in it's entirety such as asking for a copyrighted book? That sounds like more than a little flaw. So I suspect that could not be it.

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Ok. The moderators are prolly going to get on to me for starting to many arguments lately, but I swear it just seems wrong to me!

Look, I should of never had asked for the book, and I am sorry. Is this enough to stop the argument?

Hi,

djnorthyy wrote:Look, I should of never had asked for the book, and I am sorry. Is this enough to stop the argument?

It *should*, considering no-one here has anything to gain from continuing the argument.

About the book itself, IMHO it's a good read for beginners who don't understand much about what an OS does, but there's similar (or better) theory on the web that is freely available (see the OS Dev wiki, Wikipedia, or Google).

Like the theory, the code for MMURTL is also good for beginners, but any sane person would outgrow the code quickly. The OS is also mostly outdated (designed for 80386, with no support for device detection, PCI, USB, etc), everything in it is overly simplistic, it's not stable, none of the argorithms it uses are modern or recommended for a real OS, etc.

More or less, it's a good introduction and if you see it in your library it'd be worthwhile borrowing it for a week or 2, but I wouldn't go out of your way to get hold of it.


Cheers,

Brendan

I've talked to the author a little, the MMURTL book is going to be free at some point in the future. I liked the book myself when I read it several years ago.

Edit: Anyone else remember reading the Dr. Dobbs issue about writing your own OS that featured MMURTL? That's when I first figured out that other people were interested in this stuff for fun. Still have that issue.

Thanks for the info, I just wanted something to get me started on my own os and this is my first attempt

Thanks,
Harry

What a lovely day it is.