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The only two religions you could choose from are both Abrahamic. What ever happened to polytheism?

... Actually yeah those two choices are odd.



I respect people's religions, unless they're cults - Scientologist? too bad

I totally agree with Brendan..

What I wonder is how scientists who are religious make distinctions between fiction and non-fiction.

For example, If that scientist challenged a theory because it had no scientific fact yet still believed in God-like entities.. They would be very hypocritical.

I personally think science and religion can't coexist, Then again I also wonder why people who talk to "imaginary" "friends" are classified mentally ill.. yet people who frequently talk to "spirits" or God-like entities are not.

In my understanding anyone who has religion is clearly not capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction..

There are people who still continue to "believe" the world is flat even though it's been scientifically identified as spherical.

That's the end of my rant.. Sorry to "offend" anyone who believes in the Bible of Harry Potter.. That's a religion too right?

this was for a while quit calm and i was hopping it wouldn't turn in to the mega-tokyo.com religious flame war , prove anything exists?, those who do not believe in god are the ones that should be classified mentally ill!, believing that every thing around us is somehow real is less logical than believing god made all of this! you only believe what you can see and feel, if you didn't have senses you would never know anything existed!, not having the ability to "see" god doesn't mean a thing

how do we know the earth revolves around the sun???

Brendan wrote:There are many incompatible religions, all of which have believers who have faith. If faith was proof, then would it prove I'll be reincarnated when I die, or that there's many Gods, or just one?

No, no no! (In a Chandler Bing sort a way.) Your still thinking scientifically. To believe in God is to have faith, that is an unbreakable trust in God. Ask anyone who has any faith, and they will say that they believe, regardless of any 'proof'. Therefore, the 'proof' is irrelevant.

PS: This isn't meant to attack any point of view, but instead to debate Brendan's theory.

Edit: I have only been talking about Christianity, really. I'm not concerned with any other religion. Does that remove any confusion?

how do we know the earth revolves around the sun???

By theoreticizing that it doesn't and disproving our assumption, as has been done repeatedly in the past?

Assume god doesn't exist. Show this to be false. If you can actually do that, I'll convert my vote from atheist to whatever religion you preach.

I believe in there either being or there not being a god. If there is a God, I'll either die in hell because there's a likely chance that I'm not following his order but a misguided bunch of fakes or die in hell because I'm following none of the misguided bunches. At least not following any won't make any god angry, he'll just consider me less of a believer (but most don't consider you a heretic just for not believing iirc). On the other hand, if I consider that there's no god, I'm either making a lot of fuss over nothing and wasting my time or getting on with life as I'd do even if there were a god. Hence, it's the same to me since believing doesn't give me any advantage now or after life, and disbelieving gives me a bit of an advantage now.

Anyone willing to take up the above proof request, I'll give you $10 if you succeed including public scrutiny.

it's simple, if god exists you will goto heaven, if not the faith will make you happier and you will live longer, much more rewording

P.S. what does "succeed including public scrutiny" mean???

GLneo wrote:it's simple, if god exists you will goto heaven, if not the faith will make you happier and you will live longer, much more rewording

P.S. what does "succeed including public scrutiny" mean???

Having faith makes you happy and you live longer? Any scientific proof for that? I'm happy and I have plans to live for a very long time.. and I'm about as non-religious as on can get..

Brynet-Inc wrote:

GLneo wrote:it's simple, if god exists you will goto heaven, if not the faith will make you happier and you will live longer, much more rewording

P.S. what does "succeed including public scrutiny" mean???

Having faith makes you happy and you live longer? Any scientific proof for that? I'm happy and I have plans to live for a very long time.. and I'm about as non-religious as on can get..

Really?.....I bet most Christians have less stressful lives than non-religious people... That is, they should, if they have some knowledge of the Bible. (Matthew 6:25-34) Less stress means longer life. Simple. Moreover, they are often happier, because they have nothing to worry about: They live and all is well; they die, and once again, all is well. See?

I'm not "stressing" about death.. existence in an infinite void sounds very peaceful..

There is always a chance one will be able to have their memories and conciousness transfered into computer systems..

Considering neuron are electrically excitable cells in the nervous system that function to process and transmit information, It seems logical to assume interfacing the mind with a computer will "eventually" be possible.

http://rdu.news14.com/content/top_stori ... ArID=82612 <--Example..

As for the religious idea of living in the clouds.. It sounds painfully boring..

I myself think it'll be one day be possible to be "sent a drift" in space with the help of cryogenics..

So again, Being religious will not allow you to live longer in my opinion.. as for happiness.. I'm peachy

Brynet-Inc wrote:I'm not "stressing" about death.. existence in an infinite void sounds very peaceful..
There is always a chance one will be able to have their memories and conciousness transfered into computer systems..
Considering neuron are electrically excitable cells in the nervous system that function to process and transmit information, It seems logical to assume interfacing the mind with a computer will "eventually" be possible.
http://rdu.news14.com/content/top_stori ... ArID=82612 <--Example..

I'll be waiting for your first hard disk crash while I'm "living in the clouds."

Brynet-Inc wrote:As for the religious idea of living in the clouds.. It sounds painfully boring..

Heaven isn't clouds. According to the Bible it's beyond human comprehension.

Brynet-Inc wrote:So again, Being religious will not allow you to live longer in my opinion.. as for happiness.. I'm peachy

Happy until when, exactly? Until your 70 with failing health? Hmm, I wonder.... meow...

I take care of myself within reason.. I'm suitably healthy.. I've never been religious so no I don't have any desire to read any mislabelled fiction at this moment, Although I'm all for it if it's Science Fiction

Alboin wrote:According to the Bible it's beyond human comprehension.

Beyond human comprehension? Are you required to bring a calculator?

Alboin wrote:I'll be waiting for your first hard disk crash while I'm "living in the clouds."

Well, Hopefully they will have more reliable storage mediums by that time.. I wouldn't exactly entrust my conciousness & memories to rapidly rotating platters with magnetic surfaces.. Maybe something like a Holographic Data Storage System (HDSS)..

Wouldn't you fit on a 1.44MB floppy disk Albonin? I'm only kidding

Brynet-Inc wrote:I take care of myself within reason.. I'm suitably healthy.. I've never been religious so no I don't have any desire to read any mislabelled fiction at this moment, Although I'm all for it if it's Science Fiction

The only science fiction I've read recently were your previous posts about storing human thought in a computer.....sorry....

Brynet-Inc wrote:

Alboin wrote:According to the Bible it's beyond human comprehension.

Beyond human comprehension? Are you required to bring a calculator?

Not the intelligent people...but they might make an exception for you. (Just kidding, of course.)

Brynet-Inc wrote:Wouldn't you fit on a 1.44MB floppy disk Albonin? I'm only kidding

A zip disk, actually. Get it straight.

Beyond comprehension is like the tip of the iceberg.

A note on the whole 'faith' issue:
God won't let man see Him face-to-face because being so would effectively destroy the person, because God's majesty and power is just so huge. And when I say destory, I don't mean 'dead', I mean really gone... In other words, until we get to heaven (or hell) and are given our spiritual bodies, we cannot possibly see God personally. On the other hand, we can see His influence. That's the thing that often makes so many people notice something different.

And the only reason man is suffering now is because of way back at the beginning of time when satan tricked the first humans - and he's been doing so ever since.

Science fiction can't explain the miracles that still happen daily, but neither can science. That's why they're called miracles and not events. In fact, it is not hypocritical for a scientist to be a Christian because he is learning about the world that God created and exploring it to a greater level (and trying to inform us, less-informed people of his findings). Even now, the theory of evolution is springing holes. How then can you explain the creation of such an irreducably complex world? A couple of billion years of cells splitting? I doubt it.

In the end, even if there isn't a God, at least Christians (and believers of other faiths) have something to hope for, a life in a paradise incomprehensible to man. And if that doesn't happen, at least our lives have meaning until we die.

pcmattman wrote:Even now, the theory of evolution is springing holes.

Oh please, no...

Godess, protect me from the ignorant.