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This is my first time creating an account here on the forums but I do occasionally visit once every month or so to check up on the forums and now that I have started my own hobby kernel, I decided to create an account. Then I stumbled upon this thread. I think a good rant would make an excellent first post. I've read Dex's posts in the past and have been quite impressed at how far DexOS has come for being a pure assembly operating system. Although, who would have thought that the person behind it would be a complete moron? No offense, but I have to strongly disagree with you. Any insults I make are simply jest or to demonstrate how flawed your logic is and are not to be taken personally.

Dex wrote:i have always had strong views on the way to do things, and that ASM is the best language

Insanely complex and non-portable code is the best? Sure, assembly has some performance benefits but modern C compilers can actually do better than some people writing assembly by hand. Any performance benefit you get is insignificant and you risk worse performance at times because a compiler can actually generate better code. Please explain to me why assembly is better.

Dex wrote:WebOS is the way things are heading, but this need not be a bad thing for OS Dev's, it could be a good thing, if you plan now. You need to ask yourself what is the biggest problem facing hobby OS Dev's, its drivers. You need to some how get round this problem, so take loading a file as a example, to me the best way is to use FTP, it could be on the same pc, local network or internet, i could load a file from any file sys.

Wow... just Wow. Normally I would feel bad for making fun of the retarded kid who has to wear a helmet to school, but I think I can make an exception this time. I agree that drivers are the biggest problem for OS developers, but a web os will not get around this problem. A computer still has to boot to something in order to even access a web os. Are you telling me that a web os will be access my graphics, sound, network, or hard disk? I think you might be confusing web os for an OS that boots over a network. In which case your argument wouldn't be as insane as I thought. But if you truly believe that desktop users are going to be using an ajax based web os for their computer then you're nuts. If you happen to have a computer science, please, do us all a favor and burn it and then burry the ashes. You don't deserve it. Go back to DeVry and try again. Do not pass Go, and do not collect $200. As for accessing files via FTP. Uhmm... I won't go there. I feel bad kicking a person when their down.

Dex wrote:I would much rather use a local service, simple example, say you wanted to code a simple html calculator you can not do it without using java, but if you have a server that had many service including calculator, you could use this from anywhere, This sort of server would be much easier to port then flash or java if you want to run it local.

Okay, first of all, I think you are confusing Java with javascript. An "HTML calculator" would utilize javascript unless you wanted to send GET/POST data to a jsp page which would be grossly inefficient for this kind of task. Also, what do you mean by "porting it to local"? Do you mean something like Adobe Apollo?

Are you sure you know assembly? I've never met someone who could code in assembly that is so unaware of the world around him. You're more insane than Debian or GNU/Hurd developers.

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Darkhack wrote:This is my first time creating an account here on the forums but I do occasionally visit once every month or so to check up on the forums and now that I have started my own hobby kernel, I decided to create an account. Then I stumbled upon this thread. I think a good rant would make an excellent first post. I've read Dex's posts in the past and have been quite impressed at how far DexOS has come for being a pure assembly operating system. Although, who would have thought that the person behind it would be a complete moron? No offense, but I have to strongly disagree with you. Any insults I make are simply jest or to demonstrate how flawed your logic is and are not to be taken personally.

Dex wrote:i have always had strong views on the way to do things, and that ASM is the best language

Insanely complex and non-portable code is the best? Sure, assembly has some performance benefits but modern C compilers can actually do better than some people writing assembly by hand. Any performance benefit you get is insignificant and you risk worse performance at times because a compiler can actually generate better code. Please explain to me why assembly is better.

Dex wrote:WebOS is the way things are heading, but this need not be a bad thing for OS Dev's, it could be a good thing, if you plan now. You need to ask yourself what is the biggest problem facing hobby OS Dev's, its drivers. You need to some how get round this problem, so take loading a file as a example, to me the best way is to use FTP, it could be on the same pc, local network or internet, i could load a file from any file sys.

Wow... just Wow. Normally I would feel bad for making fun of the retarded kid who has to wear a helmet to school, but I think I can make an exception this time. I agree that drivers are the biggest problem for OS developers, but a web os will not get around this problem. A computer still has to boot to something in order to even access a web os. Are you telling me that a web os will be access my graphics, sound, network, or hard disk? I think you might be confusing web os for an OS that boots over a network. In which case your argument wouldn't be as insane as I thought. But if you truly believe that desktop users are going to be using an ajax based web os for their computer then you're nuts. If you happen to have a computer science, please, do us all a favor and burn it and then burry the ashes. You don't deserve it. Go back to DeVry and try again. Do not pass Go, and do not collect $200. As for accessing files via FTP. Uhmm... I won't go there. I feel bad kicking a person when their down.

Dex wrote:I would much rather use a local service, simple example, say you wanted to code a simple html calculator you can not do it without using java, but if you have a server that had many service including calculator, you could use this from anywhere, This sort of server would be much easier to port then flash or java if you want to run it local.

Okay, first of all, I think you are confusing Java with javascript. An "HTML calculator" would utilize javascript unless you wanted to send GET/POST data to a jsp page which would be grossly inefficient for this kind of task. Also, what do you mean by "porting it to local"? Do you mean something like Adobe Apollo?

Are you sure you know assembly? I've never met someone who could code in assembly that is so unaware of the world around him. You're more insane than Debian or GNU/Hurd developers.

Cool, best laugh i have had in ages , glad you like the OS, as thats all that matters .
But the difference between those insane people/groups, "Dex, Debian or GNU/Hurd developers" is they have coded something.
They have not just read "dummies guide to OS Dev" .

please dont leave........

SandeepMathew wrote: please dont leave........

?

He left and came back. Did you read the thread?

Is he talking about something closer to:

• A operating system that runs in the web browser (desktop system)
• A remote terminal type approach.

Since there are major differences between the two?

Kevin McGuire wrote:Is he talking about something closer to:

• A operating system that runs in the web browser (desktop system)
• A remote terminal type approach.

Since there are major differences between the two?

Nobody knows for sure.. The guy is cryptic..

In a nutshell:
Just like in linux everythings is a file.
I think everything should be a SERVICE. Now you are all hobby OS Dev's here, making different OS, but we say we just want to learn and are not bothered if people use our OS. But most of you think, 'no i am different, my OS will become big'; thats what keep you motivated.
The problem is you can not hope to keep up with the new formats and all the drivers needed, So you need away round this, now we have tried universal driver interfaces, but that did not get far. Now the only way windows or linux or DexOS can talk to each other, is by some sort of TCP/IP protocol over a network.
I just want to look at ways to take that further. eg: loading a file from a file server rather than making loads of drivers, i think you will find hardware makers doing the same,
Example: How many printer's are there out there ?, i could not possibly write that many driver for DexOS, but guess what most new printers are Network enabled and i can ftp work to be printed from DexOS + i have a network Hdd on my network which i can also write files to by ftp. next on the list will be a network mp3 player with built in sound, so i can send it a mp3 ( NOTE: This could be your stereo with built in wifi ). These things will be the normal part of owning a PC or consumer product.
We need to design our OS to not only use these service, but also to provide these service for other to use.
I would like to take this sort of thing further http://ybox.tv/index.php?page=index
But for PC, eg: like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konfabulator

BUT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, it has nothing to do with JavaScript etc, that just a way to render the info, it's the info thats important, i will not be using JavaScript or flash.
Hope this clears thinks up.

Dex is cool guy ... He is a hardcore asmhacker ... I think he is
a pragmatic guy ... I do not think he will come up with something
stupid ..... I am his fan forever......

@Brynet-Inc: He tries to explain himself, yet he still speaks cryptic.
@Dex: Congratulations for starting the longest thread on the forum! Don't you feel loved?

MessiahAndrw wrote:@Brynet-Inc: He tries to explain himself, yet he still speaks cryptic.
@Dex: Congratulations for starting the longest thread on the forum! Don't you feel loved?

Or hated, or controversial. This should've been his farewell post (as per the title).

Candy wrote:

MessiahAndrw wrote:@Brynet-Inc: He tries to explain himself, yet he still speaks cryptic.
@Dex: Congratulations for starting the longest thread on the forum! Don't you feel loved?

Or hated, or controversial. This should've been his farewell post (as per the title).

This is true, but who would you rather be "Linus Torvalds" who is loved or "Bill Gates" who is hated ?.

Dex wrote:

Candy wrote:

MessiahAndrw wrote:@Brynet-Inc: He tries to explain himself, yet he still speaks cryptic.
@Dex: Congratulations for starting the longest thread on the forum! Don't you feel loved?

Or hated, or controversial. This should've been his farewell post (as per the title).

This is true, but who would you rather be "Linus Torvalds" who is loved or "Bill Gates" who is hated ?.

To be honest, I'll go for the non-hated part.

I just want to look at ways to take that further. eg: loading a file from a file server rather than making loads of drivers, i think you will find hardware makers doing the same,

What type of file and what would it do? eg: A driver of some sort, or do you explain this in the next part (below) ..
.. or, do you mean the actual information to be rendered would be contained in a file of some sort, or something similar to a file conceptually?


Example: How many printer's are there out there ?, i could not possibly write that many driver for DexOS, but guess what most new printers are Network enabled and i can ftp work to be printed from DexOS + i have a network Hdd on my network which i can also write files to by ftp. next on the list will be a network mp3 player with built in sound, so i can send it a mp3 ( NOTE: This could be your stereo with built in wifi ). These things will be the normal part of owning a PC or consumer product.

I can not understand if you are explaining a method to help with: now we have tried universal driver interfaces, but that did not get far.?


But for PC, eg: like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konfabulator

I can understand your broad conception (philosophically), but I need an explanation of the fundamental mechanism(s), or a nearing of these towards reality, to make this cognitional perception of yours more concrete (practical). Otherwise, I am continually speculating these mechanisms by exploring with my own cognitional perception of your concept which has a high risk of being unavailing since I can not recognize, or determine, your precise point of view inside this broad conception in a practical sense which is what I am most interested in. In being unavailing I mean becoming board because of the complexity of it, since I am assuming you have done a large amount of work to reduce this to a point in which I can actually become excited about it and wish to research it too.

My problem could be similar to you saying:

"I have this idea about a planet called htrae with structures that are modular where there is some connection between different things, long strands of metallic materials that are suspended above something, and the movement of ideas among different things.
But, I have no real idea what you could mean practically. I can guess, and of course since I live here on earth I can relate this to things here -- but there are thousands of meanings and how do I implement these in a practical way which would not already have been done here on earth?

I will try again, First remember what i say is from a hobby OS Dev's point of view, not if your M$ or even linux.
If you want to load a file from your hdd (eg: a program) you go through a ftp server, this could be by loopback or over a local network or internet. now you may think this is mad, but you will not in say 4 years or so, that because the hdd will just as likely be part of your router or stand alone wireless hdd as in your PC.

This is what hdd will be like: http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/104/C9060/
Let most of the work be done in hardware + firmware
I only use file loading as a example. Its based on every device needing to talk to each other wireless.

It's clear Dex is suffering from network induced insanity...