OS development team startup!

01000101 · Post by **01000101** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:57 pm

hey,
I have started my own OS that includes a working memory manager, shell (w/ command support), and all the other basic stuff (malloc/outports/registers/etc...) and all in PMode.

I have reached a point where I am in need of assistance for the development of VESA/SVGA support and implementation. I am currently working on harddrive support and usage.

I am looking for a group of 2-5 that would like to actively (at least 2-3 times a week) participate in the development of the OS. I have great ideas for this, but I am still new to kernel/os development.

Thank you.

Contact info:
email = [email protected] || [email protected]
AIM = AnarchyBoard88
YIM = AnarchySkater88

Candy · Post by **Candy** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:13 pm

01000101 wrote:I am looking for a group of 2-5 that would like to actively (at least 2-3 times a week) participate in the development of the OS. I have great ideas for this, but I am still new to kernel/os development.

I have some great ideas too - let's work together to realize my ideas first?

(this isn't serious - I'm trying to be cynical)

Combuster · Post by **Combuster** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:44 pm

... Besides, I doubt you want to use BASIC ...

01000101 · Post by **01000101** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:31 pm

im surprised by the lack of seriousness here. And I need C/ASM programmers btw.

Combuster · Post by **Combuster** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:02 pm

01000101 wrote:im surprised by the lack of seriousness here. And I need C/ASM programmers btw.

Its a hobby. That means nobody can order us to do something. It has nothing to do with seriousness.

To kick in the door, asking for developers is considered a beginners mistake. There is no 'need' for developers. You should be capable of doing everything yourself. If you can't figure somthing out, you are welcome to post a message to ask for it, and we'll be glad to help you out.

Try reading the forums and (to a lesser extent for VESA) the wiki. A lot of information is already present that can save a lot of time.

Once you get a reputation, you might one day indeed get your followers, but for now forget about that.

Solidus117 · Post by **Solidus117** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:37 pm

Sup.

The condescension in here is just, because frankly alot of us are sick of people coming here asking for help with little to no plan and a fistful of empty promises.

On the other hand, please enumerate on your ideas.

01000101 · Post by **01000101** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:10 am

well, first off, I am not 'ordering' anyone to do anything. I was 'asking' for participation in a project that seems rather foolish and unethical to try and fully complete alone.

Gathering a reputation requires the implementation of something unique or impressive, but I have yet to see something extremely successful and fully implemented by a single individual here. Usually it starts with an idea and then (with the aid of others) develops into something worth using. All I see throughout this forum is a bunch of half-made operating systems, and a lot of crys for help and collaboration. It looks to me that this whole 'OSdev' thing is turning into Linux, a bunch of great ideas with no teamwork and no solid developmental strategy. If people just keep making kernels with no further development then all they are doing is making some nice little trinket to toy with and then releasing it to the public to devour.

well I am done rambling and shall return to my OS.

Franchie · Post by **Franchie** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:31 am

Hi!

Gathering a reputation requires the implementation of something unique or impressive

Not necessarily: a good reputation can come from sharing your acquired knowledge by helping others on the forum, or posting articles on the wiki. Behind the layer of anonymity which is the web, it is the only way of distinguishing a beginner from an expert.

Its not that we don't believe you, but over time we have been disillusioned by promises such as "I have great ideas for this". If you want them to be taken seriously, consider posting specifics, and possibly implementing a technology preview to prove that they are possible. In that way, if your ideas are truly interesting, you will always find followers. Otherwise, the experts here will explain why they are not as original as they were led to believe, or why they are not practical. Either way, OSDev is a method of transmitting knowledge from which everyone can benefit. It can also save you a lot of time!

t looks to me that this whole 'OSdev' thing is turning into Linux

I have to disagree here: most OSDev projects here are either hobby projects, or people building technology previews of their ideas. Linux is past that stage, and took a lot of coordinated work to reach that stage. And teamwork is one of its principal strengths.

If people just keep making kernels with no further development then all they are doing is making some nice little trinket to toy with and then releasing it to the public to devour.

So?

In all seriousness, I wish you luck with your OS,
Franchie.

AJ · Post by AJ » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:34 am

01000101 wrote: If people just keep making kernels with no further development then all they are doing is making some nice little trinket to toy with and then releasing it to the public to devour.

That's why I'm here.

I'm a hobby programmer and have learned a huge amount about programming through my little project. I have no intention to release my OS as a 'serious' OS any day - I don't have the time or patience required.

A lot of new programmers here suggest a community OS or ask for developopers for their OS when they first come to the boards (myself included

). The crux of it is that everyone devving their own OS has their own design and their own way of doing things. If you want someone to subscribe to *your* ideas about how a kernel should be developped and you want to have the final say about design decisions, I'm afraid you'll probably have to pay someone...

Cheers,
Adam

01000101 · Post by **01000101** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:54 pm

That is more like it.
Those reply's actually had reason behind them.

I see what you both are saying about them just being hobby OS's.

When I said that these are turning into Linux, it was not meant to be taken literrally. It was supposed to relate to linux's method of development through the unstructured and yet (besides server-based) unsuccessful open source community.

I appologize for being so new to this forum, but I just recently stumbled upon this place after about two months of OS development mostly without online help. But now I am getting to a point where there is both the lack of online help and of my own programming skills.

mathematician · Post by **mathematician** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 4:04 am

01000101 wrote:I appologize for being so new to this forum, but I just recently stumbled upon this place after about two months of OS development mostly without online help. But now I am getting to a point where there is both the lack of online help and of my own programming skills.

After two months I can practically guarantee that you won't have anything particularly impressive. Come back after five years, and there is an outside chance that you just might get more interest. Even then people would want the details and not just the hype.

The number of over sized egos we get on here expecting us to drop everything we are doing, and sign up to their own gee whiz projects, without anything to justify the hype, is just not true.

01000101 · Post by **01000101** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:14 pm

5 years?!?!? and you don't have a team of some sort?

well in the scheme of things I'm going to assume having all of the memory manager/gdt/idt/pic's/ect.. plus a working shell is good progress for only being at it for 2 months? am i right?

bluecode · Post by **bluecode** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:20 am

01000101 wrote:well in the scheme of things I'm going to assume having all of the memory manager/gdt/idt/pic's/ect.. plus a working shell is good progress for only being at it for 2 months? am i right?

It's not so important what is already done. More important is the "how it is done". Hacked together solutions will only last for some weeks and then they will haunt you until you rewrote most of the code.
Some people here spend months designing & developing a good memory mangement system. Some refine things as they gain more knowledge.

Candy · Post by **Candy** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:42 am

bluecode wrote:
01000101 wrote:Some people here spend months designing & developing a good memory mangement system. Some refine things as they gain more knowledge.

That could be years, if you count me in.

Kevin McGuire · Post by **Kevin McGuire** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:04 pm

That could be years, if you count me in.

I move at the pace of tectonic plates.. ever so often I jump.

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