what IDE and compiler do you use?

[Dex]

See Brynet-Inc, that how to wind people up .

@distantvoices, that right keep it in the mother land.

[JAAman]

@Solar and Brynet-Inc, I think the pair of you should be the best of friends, as the both of you have alot in common, like lurking on a OS dev forum, but not having the skill to make a OS.

iirc, solar has worked on an OS -- he just isnt actively writing one now, and he knows more about OSdev than most everyone here, and has been an active member of the OSdev community much longer than most

A programmer is someone who code something (usefull) in a programming language

which solar has done and is doing, iirc his job is programming, where im sure everything he writes is more useful than anything most of us ever written

he is also actively improving other peoples OSs, with his PDCLIB

not some one who lurks on a coding forum, trying to tell others, they are using the wrong editor, or OS.

solar has never done this -- he answers questions when people need help, he is (imho) the greatest resource you can find anywhere when it comes to understanding the C language, and he has never said anyone was using the wrong OS or editor -- he simply stated that, in his years of professional coding, he has learned that certain tools are benificial, and should be used -- comparing this to brynet-inc's unreasonable attacks against anyone who disagrees with him on any point

IF I WAS A MODERATER HERE I WOULD BAN THE BOTH OF YOU

now this is a personal attack against me!!

[Dex]

What is this if not a attack on ASM programmers ?

I have a slight problem with it when Assembler programmers start claiming things like that they don't need certain features, usually with the undertone that "comfort is for the weak". It gives me the nasty suspicion that they chose Assembler, not because of some educated decision after careful evaluation which language is best suited for the problem, but due to some "need for leet", and quite often, a lack of experience with projects beyond a certain size / complexity / number of contributors.

But this seems fine, suck up to the mods if you want, i moved form the last forum to here, because of insecurity of C programmers, now you have to all follow like sheep and **** this forum up, you make newbe feel un-welcome, with your read the FAQ **** .

[distantvoices]

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@distantvoices, that right keep it in the mother land.
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@dex: wuzzgoinon? I've understood zilch ... mother land what? You wanna elaborate a bit on this one?

[Dex]

@distantvoices, that right keep it in the mother land.

@dex: wuzzgoinon? I've understood zilch ... mother land what? You wanna elaborate a bit on this one?

You should be able to work it out, but just in case, you share the same language and history as solar, so you stick together.
Where i will have more in common with a American.
Is that clear enough ?.

[JAAman]

yet im an american, born and raised in california, yet i find your attacks against solar to be a horrible crime -- you actually have a lot in common with brynet-inc, i've been tolerant of you here (and on MT) for many years, and i have seen you grow into a more mature person (this thread aside) -- but you dont have the same tolerance for others

and i have always found your attitude of "I'm better than everyone else" and "I know more than anyone else" to be troublesome at best

[distantvoices]

@distantvoices, that right keep it in the mother land.

@dex: wuzzgoinon? I've understood zilch ... mother land what? You wanna elaborate a bit on this one?

You should be able to work it out, but just in case, you share the same language and history as solar, so you stick together.
Where i will have more in common with a American.
Is that clear enough ?.

Gosh, you're such a moron if you are in a state like this.

You issue mutilated stuff like the above quoted and expect me to work out what crap lurks behind your forehead? Oh, come on gosh, this ain't work out. Oh, and yes, while I am capable of thinking in holistics, for communication I prefer well ordered (and polite) words - despite my special acoustic problem.

[Solar]

@ Dex:

We had an argument on a very similar subject once before. I won't react as strongly as last time, but I'd ask you to keep the heavy artillery in the shed, please.

I did work on an OS project, Pro-POS. Several pages of the OS FAQ are a direct result of work done on that project (among them GCC Cross-Compiler and BareBones), and many others have been expanded due to Pro-POS efforts.

Pro-POS was discontinued, because it turned out I was the only one actually willing to write code. Pro-POS was not about a "toy" OS, not about a "hobby" OS, it was about writing an OS that would actually be useful on the desktop, in a realistic time frame (~15 years). I could not do that alone, since I have a 40-hour job (as software engineer), a wife and kids (number two due in June), and a life beyond the keyboard, so I settled for a realistic goal (PDCLib) instead.

And what you considered an "attack" on "Assembler programmers" was, actually, anything but. It was a remark - a negative one, granted - on a specific mindset, a certain pattern of behaviour that is, unfortunately, frequently encountered among Assembler programmers. (*)

(Also encountered among Assembler programmers are very skilled, very experienced developers which deserve the utmost respect for what they can do - but you will find that they are even more professional than most of us here.)

You had the choice of saying that you might not yet be experienced enough, that your projects aren't really big and that "basic" tools like Notepad are enough for you, and showing some maturity that way.

Instead, you proved to be exactly of the mentioned kind by sneering at people who use real programming tools, and by going on a rampage (including racist remarks and calling people lickspittles, that was a premiere on this board), even posting a graphic to prove your point, but missing the detail that it reads "consider themselves superior to", not "are superior to"...

I have worked professionally in four languages, and had private projects that worked and served people in another four. (OK, three, if you consider Commodore Basic and VisualBasic to be the same language.)

Thus I say to you: Do work in a professional environment, doing development towards specs that are not your own, to the quality demands and the deadline that is not your own, maintaining code that is not your own, but still is your responsibility, all this to feed a family, for a couple of years - i.e., be responsible for your work for some time instead of just showing off your leetness.

Then come back and tell me that you still call Notepad your favourite editor, and I will - grudgingly - believe you.

In the meantime, behave, like everyone everywhere on the net is expected to, instead of throwing a tantrum.

----

(*): Not because Assembly "taints" people or is inferior in some way, but because leetkids on the lookout for a programming language tho show off with tend to chose Assembler.

[Brynet-Inc]

yet im an american, born and raised in california, yet i find your attacks against solar to be a horrible crime -- you actually have a lot in common with brynet-inc, i've been tolerant of you here (and on MT) for many years, and i have seen you grow into a more mature person (this thread aside) -- but you dont have the same tolerance for others

and i have always found your attitude of "I'm better than everyone else" and "I know more than anyone else" to be troublesome at best

Like me? I kind of find that insulting.

[Solar]

To keep it honest:

...and he knows more about OSdev than most everyone here...

No I don't. Virtually everyone here has written more kernel-space code than me, because the actual coding effort of Pro-POS died very soon. To be precise, at the point I had a kout object that printed the data in the multiboot header.

My strength is old age , much research done in Pro-POS times, knowledge of the C/C++ language proper, and some actual experience working in the "real" world of software.

While I appreciate your support, I'd rather stick to the facts.

[Alboin]

yet im an american, born and raised in california, yet i find your attacks against solar to be a horrible crime -- you actually have a lot in common with brynet-inc, i've been tolerant of you here (and on MT) for many years, and i have seen you grow into a more mature person (this thread aside) -- but you dont have the same tolerance for others

and i have always found your attitude of "I'm better than everyone else" and "I know more than anyone else" to be troublesome at best

Like me? I kind of find that insulting.

Really? Didn't you say you had 70% of the people on this forum hating you? I would think this would be an accomplishment.

[maddog39]

Hmmm for me it'd be:

IDE: Geany
Editor: gedit
Build-OS: Ubuntu / Debian GNU/Linux
C Compiler: gcc-4.x for apps; gcc3.3.x for OS dev
ASM Compiler: nasm
Build System: make

Also, going off topic a bit and onto that Programmers Hierarchy tree. Umm... how in the world do ruby programmers consider themselves superior to other languages like Perl and PHP. Ruby is a noob language, its interpreted, requires little to no work to get things moving (much so like python) and has very simplistic syntax. I dont understand that at all...

[frank]

I use:

IDE: Eclipse CDT
Build-OS: Windows XP
Compiler: gcc
Assembler: FASM

[os64dev]

i have a cross-compiler for both windows and linux:

windows: notepad++ & cygwin(as, gcc, make)
linux: gedit & as, gcc, make

[pcmattman]

Go the notepad people!!

My compiler/linker is DJGPP, assembler is NASM...

I seriously need an IDE staring at long pages of notepad-formatted text is killing me!