MSOffice for Linux

[Adek336]

gosh! IBM wants to port it to Linux!!

http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/story/32871.html

darn, it seems like they want to get Sun (OpenOffice) down... :-\ This ain't good.

[Eero Ränik]

What's the difference? I don't think that one of them is better than another (except the price of course)... And if Windows hasn't gotten Linux down, why should expensive Office get down OpenOffice?

[Adek336]

Well, there is the difference. Who will use OpenOffice if MSOffice is availlable? Then, as everybody will use the expensive Microsoft product and nobody will use Sun's product, I will have to buy the Microsoft's product. If this is planned by Microsoft, it is strategy- a premptive attack, before OO gets it marketshare.

Duh, but on the other hand.. we always have Emacs ;D

[Neo]

MSoffice is far better in terms of its spell checking and user friendliness. but of course craps in a lots of other ways

[DennisCGc]

MSOffice could be better, and then it would be more attractive to use Linux instead of Windows.
But, it's Microsoft's software, maybe it makes Linux very unstable and commercial (aka Windows)

[Eero Ränik]

The code should be totally rewritten (with portability in mind)... Have you seen the partial source code of Windows 2000 what leaked some time ago? Their newer code is not bad at all, the "hacks" for compatibility with old software/hardware is what makes it so buggy.

[Candy]

MSoffice is far better in terms of its spell checking and user friendliness. but of course craps in a lots of other ways

Of course you could learn to type a language as it was meant to be, or learn to spell words correctly. Of korz j00 koeld joes zleng lenguetjs, but if you're only somewhat adjusted you can at least spell one language correctly. Why care about spell checks when you can do it yourself (and believe me, in Uni tests, there's no computer to help you with programming brackets either)?

User friendlyness? Friendly to people that use it for the first time. I've been incredibly annoyed by some of its "features", such as automatically generating certain makeup patterns in my text that I cannot even undo properly, auto-wrecking my template, making my template 300k instead of 20k (whereas the 20k itself is huge for a blank text file) because I use slightly different styles (no, they're not that different, something like 2-3 changes per style, 20 styles). Even LaTeX is more user friendly, and it doesn't even have a user interface. Note the word /USER/, a user is somebody that learns to use a program and then starts to use it in a professional sense (that doesn't mean in a company, that means not for playground but for serious stuff).

[Neo]

MSoffice is far better in terms of its spell checking and user friendliness. but of course craps in a lots of other ways

Of course you could learn to type a language as it was meant to be, or learn to spell words correctly. Of korz j00 koeld joes zleng lenguetjs, but if you're only somewhat adjusted you can at least spell one language correctly. Why care about spell checks when you can do it yourself (and believe me, in Uni tests, there's no computer to help you with programming brackets either)?

then why use a computer if you can do most of the things yourself?

User friendlyness? Friendly to people that use it for the first time. I've been incredibly annoyed by some of its "features", such as automatically generating certain makeup patterns in my text that I cannot even undo properly, auto-wrecking my template, making my template 300k instead of 20k (whereas the 20k itself is huge for a blank text file) because I use slightly different styles (no, they're not that different, something like 2-3 changes per style, 20 styles). Even LaTeX is more user friendly, and it doesn't even have a user interface. Note the word /USER/, a user is somebody that learns to use a program and then starts to use it in a professional sense (that doesn't mean in a company, that means not for playground but for serious stuff).

the same applies to the word processors u talk about. and if you don't know how to disable those automatc features you should be using something simpler that you can handle.

[Candy]

then why use a computer if you can do most of the things yourself?

Because I don't use a computer for the spellchecker but to process words & texts. The category of program I want is word processor, not wordprocessor-with-spreadsheet-calculator-mathematics-for-advanced-people-and-alot-of-****-I-really-don't-want. I use a computer for the things I do in real life that it can do better. Still, if the computer fails I must be able to do it myself, and you can NEVER completely trust a computer.

the same applies to the word processors u talk about. and if you don't know how to disable those automatc features you should be using something simpler that you can handle.

Do you know how to turn them off, shrink my template & everything? Did you take a University course Rocket Science to do so? Would making your own word processor not be easier?

Guess why I'm making my own OS? Making my own has proven to be a lot less frustrating and hard than making a half-workable OS out of theirs. Anybody that can make Windows meet my standard can be sent up to Mars for exploration, you qualify.

(for a definition of what I think a workable OS is, see atlantisos.com -> projects -> atlantisos -> rants -> programs & applications (two rants). Ignore the errors, I don't have much time for the site.)

[Neo]

then why use a computer if you can do most of the things yourself?

Because I don't use a computer for the spellchecker but to process words & texts. The category of program I want is word processor, not wordprocessor-with-spreadsheet-calculator-mathematics-for-advanced-people-and-alot-of-****-I-really-don't-want. I use a computer for the things I do in real life that it can do better. Still, if the computer fails I must be able to do it myself, and you can NEVER completely trust a computer.

the same applies to the word processors u talk about. and if you don't know how to disable those automatc features you should be using something simpler that you can handle.

Do you know how to turn them off, shrink my template & everything? Did you take a University course Rocket Science to do so? Would making your own word processor not be easier?

Guess why I'm making my own OS? Making my own has proven to be a lot less frustrating and hard than making a half-workable OS out of theirs. Anybody that can make Windows meet my standard can be sent up to Mars for exploration, you qualify.

(for a definition of what I think a workable OS is, see atlantisos.com -> projects -> atlantisos -> rants -> programs & applications (two rants). Ignore the errors, I don't have much time for the site.)

hmm... so thats your opinion.
and yeah definitions are nice things to read. and no i didt'nt have a university course for it. You should try reading the help files. Or else how can u expect anyone to read and use yours.

[Candy]

hmm... so thats your opinion.
and yeah definitions are nice things to read. and no i didt'nt have a university course for it. You should try reading the help files. Or else how can u expect anyone to read and use yours.

If I still was able to use help files for it would I be bothered? Help files do not document default features, things nobody whines about and the facts of msoffice. Like auto-adding makeup types (which I don't want, but it does it anyway), auto-recognising web sites & stuff & files being 300k for a simple document.

* Stuff I don't find help on are for instance why the utility that keeps windows itself patched up also wants to auto-install IE6, and always ends up forcing me to turn off IE6 even though it wasn't in the initial list anyway (happened to me at least 5x in a row, then I was so fed up with it that I let it install... computer slowed to a crawl as you might guess).
* Windows that pop up, for instance from a certain unnamed chat client, that take the focus from my password windows and make me type half my password to some stranger that just happened to send me a message (and no, recognising that is not possible in the split-second it takes me to type a password).
* Design choices I cannot find any reasoning behind but I do have to live with. For instance, supporting POSIX 1003.1, but no further even though all it required for network support would be renaming a couple of functions (which had the good names in the first place! They took the bsd stack and modified it to winsock!). No, #defining the names back doesn't fix the design. You don't patch a hole with a band-aid. And anyway, they took those names for the FS driver (no why would you multiplex?)
* Bundling software of different categories that I really don't want installed, but is impossible to leave out. Win95 took at least 40M and always installed IE3 and a few small apps. Win98 took at least 150M and installed IE4 plus a lot of crap in that. Win98SE takes at least 230M and has no visible improvement over Win98 except that it has IE5. Winxp takes at least a GB and only has a teletubbie interface, IE6 and a few programs nobody thinks about to compensate. What the F*CK is wrong with these people?

And no, the definition was not for you to grin at, it was to be read. It's one you can barely disagree with and one which you cannot ascribe to any of the current OSes, just about all Hobby OSes included (I didn't look at all of them, cannot claim I did).

You seem to be very good at throwing insults this way, but don't seem in any way keen on trying to do any of the things I cannot do yourself. Could that have a reason?

PS : sorry bout the flame.

[Neo]

You seem to be very good at throwing insults this way, but don't seem in any way keen on trying to do any of the things I cannot do yourself. Could that have a reason?

PS : sorry bout the flame.

the same can be said about ur posts too. and anyway theres no need to apologise. flames make the topic more interesting

[Candy]

the same can be said about ur posts too. and anyway theres no need to apologise. flames make the topic more interesting

Still, in some environments I have no choice but to use windows. For exactly that environment I have these problems. As a serious nonflaming question, do you know how to solve these issues? I've tried and I've failed.

[DennisCGc]

But why should linux users should use MSOffice ?? ::)
There are enough alternatives for M$Office ;D
Do you really think MSOffice will be appreciated in the "Linux world" (especially by Linux "gurus") ?

[Neo]

the same can be said about ur posts too. and anyway theres no need to apologise. flames make the topic more interesting

Still, in some environments I have no choice but to use windows. For exactly that environment I have these problems. As a serious nonflaming question, do you know how to solve these issues? I've tried and I've failed.

do you really think i can when you can't?
Anyway try the Options menu to see what else you can do there. and actually this is a question of your own preference. Use whatever youre comfy with.