0s development my own

[pryse]

i know what it is just dont know how to create my own, i dont want to build off any one elses is there any software for this that i can download i got all the time in the world. will http://www.makeyourownsoftware.com help or is this just for sortware apps. i want to know the best tools to use. would love the help

[Zenith]

That website has just made a mockery of all the computer programmers in the world. Looks like we'll all be out of a job soon . And I thought those online affiliate schemes were stupid...

The fact that you would even link to that site makes me think you know absolutely nothing about programming. No programming experience means no OSdev for you!

Read this article: Getting_Started

(And if I'm wrong about anything I've just said, which I certainly doubt, forgive me.)

EDIT: Since that site just pissed me off so much, I did some searching. You can see the program interface here: http://www.trimurl.com/myos/ezinehowto.pdf. Seems to me that the program was made to make the author money, not the buyer. (Well, duh - how many ezine creator clones can you make?)

[Alboin]

Hi,

Two things:

• No. No. No. That link. Just. Really. No.
• Read this page.

If you meet most of the items in Required Knowledge, then check out the rest of the wiki to get you started. Otherwise, learn to program, and come back in a while.

Toodles,
Alboin

EDIT: Ah, Zenith beat me to it.

[stephenj]

After a quick search, I discovered that OS Dev has a page containing the text "MYOS interrupts"

http://forum.osdev.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=853&p=4327

Does anyone else think that the first post may be spam (unintentional or otherwise) to improve the site's Google Page Rank (even though the site already appears to be ranked fairly high anyway)?

I might be a little paranoid, but I am a C/asm programmer, it comes with the territory.

[pryse]

no not spam just asking Qs to get As. now im self taught what i was asking was for recom on os dev like what software to use to build my own os now the website was to see who was gonna recommend it and if they did i was gonna let them know that they are not to smart at all no disrespect. like i said i just want to know what software is good for doing this what is the best this os will only be able to operate the apps i create for it it wont be open source this is for personal use not gonna be for sale, after i perfect it ill be looking then maybe. just need links thats all thank you

[stephenj]

no not spam just asking Qs to get As. now im self taught what i was asking was for recom on os dev like what software to use to build my own os... like i said i just want to know what software is good for doing this..

The tools that are used are just tools. They will do incredibly tedious work for us, but they will not generate an OS on their own. OS Development is learning how to interact with hardware (and create software for interacting with other software). It can take quite a bit of work to make a relatively "simple" OS.

But one strategy if you want a custom built OS in a hurry, is to try something like Linux From Scratch or even Gentoo. You'll be amazed at what can be accomplished. Of course, I would recommend Ubuntu if you lack prior Linux experience.

Please note that my last paragraph describes something that really isn't done here, and if you choose to peruse that option, you'll probably find much more willing help on the distro's board (Ubuntu has a really good forum).

Other than that, the link on Getting Started is really good.

[JamesM]

no not spam just asking Qs to get As. now im self taught what i was asking was for recom on os dev like what software to use to build my own os now the website was to see who was gonna recommend it and if they did i was gonna let them know that they are not to smart at all no disrespect. like i said i just want to know what software is good for doing this what is the best this os will only be able to operate the apps i create for it it wont be open source this is for personal use not gonna be for sale, after i perfect it ill be looking then maybe. just need links thats all thank you

You need this and this. The latter has a free OS-creator in it, similar to the MYOS link you posted earlier.

Happy Os-deving!

[inflater]

OMFG @ the site. How stupid can people get. ... but yeah, I think it'll go as the same as with "household hacker" experiments. So, anyways, "computer grandmas" will think that they'll become millionaires, and they'llbe generating "software" that have absolutely no idea of their use, and all of that programs will be looking very similar (or at least, that same) between each other. I can't wait when they start "selling" it.

What a rip-off... Anyways,

Real developers FTW! OS developers FTW more! (developers developers developers developers developers, Patlock FTW!!! rofl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE )

Oh, and before you proceed with OS dev'ing or any application development, you need to know at least two programming languages. With OSdev, you need ASM and C/C++, Pascal (but Basic can be applied, too). With standard app dev, it's good to know C/C++ and (enter your favorite language here), altough with C part, I don't comply with that now

So, for OSdev, start here.
For application development, start here.

[Adek336]

make your own software kit: it seems it's purpose is to create programs which consist of text-message templates and a questionare to help fill the template.
It is not very useful, it's not scalable, dang, I don't think this would be helpful if your work was about writing bills(which all are simillar)! However they got one thing right.

Note about price #1: Compare this to the cost of hiring a software developer to write one program for you. A reasonable cost to expect would be about $1,000.

At least the price for PHP scripts is tremendously high even for simple scripts, or so I have heard.

[pryse]

no not spam just asking Qs to get As. now im self taught what i was asking was for recom on os dev like what software to use to build my own os now the website was to see who was gonna recommend it and if they did i was gonna let them know that they are not to smart at all no disrespect. like i said i just want to know what software is good for doing this what is the best this os will only be able to operate the apps i create for it it wont be open source this is for personal use not gonna be for sale, after i perfect it ill be looking then maybe. just need links thats all thank you

You need this and this. The latter has a free OS-creator in it, similar to the MYOS link you posted earlier.

Happy Os-deving!

where is this free os creator like with all the tech i would think they would have software that walks you through it that does it for you like building a website soft ware etc its like they want to make it complicated so that the companies that are eating already continue eating while the rest starve. if its free it cant be that hard to do it understand what i mean. monekys on a space ship but theres no doith your self os easy as 123 come on.

[M-Saunders]

where is this free os creator like with all the tech i would think they would have software that walks you through it that does it for you like building a website soft ware etc its like they want to make it complicated so that the companies that are eating already continue eating while the rest starve. if its free it cant be that hard to do it understand what i mean. monekys on a space ship but theres no doith your self os easy as 123 come on.

Making a website vs writing an OS is like making a pizza vs building a nuclear power station by hand. I don't know if this is one big troll, but please, get a grasp of some basic computing knowledge. That 'omg lolz make your own software = megabucks' site you linked to is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

M

[Adek336]

where is this free os creator like with all the tech i would think they would have software that walks you through

Apart from the fact that the tinyest bit you could customize with a wizard would be still a very huge one, like in a few hundred lines of code with a specified programming interface. Mixing such parts in a wizard actually gets pretty complicated, like choosing microkernel+no paging + UDI + scheduler run by the RTC clock as opposed to PIC.

You mention grouping all the icons in one place and AI interface and voice recognition; these are clearly NOT system programming. You failed to research it; what you are talking about is high level GUI and application programming, whereas system programming involves totally different issues like semaphores, exception handling, priority invertion prevention.

It's funny that you imply either of these is simple, when on the other hand you fail to notice that voice recognition is a multi-million dollar research area and that we still don't have robust solutions in voice recognition.

[pryse]

where is this free os creator like with all the tech i would think they would have software that walks you through

Apart from the fact that the tinyest bit you could customize with a wizard would be still a very huge one, like in a few hundred lines of code with a specified programming interface. Mixing such parts in a wizard actually gets pretty complicated, like choosing microkernel+no paging + UDI + scheduler run by the RTC clock as opposed to PIC.

You mention grouping all the icons in one place and AI interface and voice recognition; these are clearly NOT system programming. You failed to research it; what you are talking about is high level GUI and application programming, whereas system programming involves totally different issues like semaphores, exception handling, priority invertion prevention.

It's funny that you imply either of these is simple, when on the other hand you fail to notice that voice recognition is a multi-million dollar research area and that we still don't have robust solutions in voice recognition.

ok i know their not system programming don't you you have to program the system for apps to work on a computer so how is that not system programming you cant run a app if system doesn't no what the app is. so what do you mean. if system is configure to run programs isn't the system allowing this so why cant i have a app that has AI VR combined i've seen plenty of AI tech with VR like i think your thinking of something a little to scifi the tech is out there when you call a tele phone company and get avoice automated sytem what do yo think that is as for ai im from boston where mit is they got alot of projects that they are working on so you still got me like ok where have you been the last couple of years just cause you don't see it on tv or on the shelf doesn't mean its not avilable japan has some of the most AI out there so help me better understand what you mean.

[pryse]

where is this free os creator like with all the tech i would think they would have software that walks you through

Apart from the fact that the tinyest bit you could customize with a wizard would be still a very huge one, like in a few hundred lines of code with a specified programming interface. Mixing such parts in a wizard actually gets pretty complicated, like choosing microkernel+no paging + UDI + scheduler run by the RTC clock as opposed to PIC.

You mention grouping all the icons in one place and AI interface and voice recognition; these are clearly NOT system programming. You failed to research it; what you are talking about is high level GUI and application programming, whereas system programming involves totally different issues like semaphores, exception handling, priority invertion prevention.

It's funny that you imply either of these is simple, when on the other hand you fail to notice that voice recognition is a multi-million dollar research area and that we still don't have robust solutions in voice recognition.

by the way just to let you know there is how many top secret projects going on in the world that deal in tech cant get a number cause there is none to define because it's top secret not saying the government or any other kinda of athourity etc they out source most of their work with private companies that you wont here about because once the start doing work for them you know how it goes you only work for us do you get it or are you still lost on the concept of CONTROL on tech why you think ms is not opensource

[Zenith]

OK, this is just freaking hilarious... and sad at the same time.

Pryse, I'm going to keep the following short and simple. (Oh forget it, I bet you won't understand why I'm trying to say)

If anyone here by themselves could make such a totally amazing operating system and sell it for an insane profit, what would make you think we would:
- Hang around in this forum
- Give you the rights to this totally amazing product for free, or even for a few thousand (or million) dollars?
- Or do you think we're some amazing group of system developers who can completely beat and outperform thousands of paid developers who've been working on an OS for many years, and then kindly give out our hard work for free because we're so kind and generous?
- Or do you think we're all part of a vast conspiracy that's trying to discourage OS development so companies like Microsoft can make money?

So you know what? NO.

However, I am willing to sell you a basic 1-2-3 OS Creator for only $19,999.99 USD that your obviously highly skilled development team can work on, if you can prove that you even have that much money, time, or experience to devote to this project. But of course, like "Make Your Own Software", there are only some types of OSes that you can create. PM me for more info.