China's quake tolls soar with over 12,000 dead!!!

[rjying]

My country is unfortunate!!!

[JamesM]

So are the inhabitants of Tibet.

This is hardly an OS development topic.

[AJ]

Moved.

[piranha]

Still, even with the Tibet issue, it's sad that China had this quake (7.9?), lots of people died, many injured, etc. I do feel bad for them.
Now my mom is paranoid about there being a quake in California, and we live right next to the Hayward Fault, so if there is then I'm in trouble.

-JL

[Zacariaz]

My country is unfortunate!!!

I would say the people killed or otherwise involved are unfortunate. In the grand scheme of things, 12.000 people, considering China immense population, is not a lot and as we al know, the story doesn't end there, but that is hard an apropiate discussion to take now.

[Alboin]

So are the inhabitants of Tibet.

Just because China's leaders are bloody communist dictator a$$holes doesn't mean those who have the misfortune to live under them are terrible people.

[JamesM]

So are the inhabitants of Tibet.

Just because China's leaders are bloody communist dictator a$$holes doesn't mean those who have the misfortune to live under them are terrible people.

Did I say that? I said that the people of Tibet are unfortunate too. That's all.

[Alboin]

So are the inhabitants of Tibet.

Just because China's leaders are bloody communist dictator a$$holes doesn't mean those who have the misfortune to live under them are terrible people.

Did I say that? I said that the people of Tibet are unfortunate too. That's all.

Then I am sorry. I figured you meant that the Chinese deserved the quake because of the whole Tibet affair.

[os64dev]

Just because China's leaders are bloody communist dictator a$$holes doesn't mean those who have the misfortune to live under them are terrible people.

And yet it is one of the most growing investment markets. Capitalism is ignorant of communism or democracy. And democracy on itself is non existent, take America for instance not the best(most suitable) people can run for president only the ones that can generate the most money for their campaign.

And then we have the Tibet issue.. Every time the country China is mentioned someone pops up with Tibet. That country has been oppressed for years now, why is it currently a hot issue? And who cares? Look at your own country and it history. The Netherlands were the greatest slavers in history of men and got very wealthy because of it. Great Brittan has a similar history, America massacred the native Indians, The Spanish and the Portuguese obliterated Latin America. So what have these countries all in common: They are/were conquering nations and they were victorious noting more, nothing less, a simple equation in the fog of War.

before someone shoots at the obvious: i am grateful that the allied forces freed Europe from the grasp of the Germans but that brings up the reason why other countries get involved in wars, economics. Germany would have been to powerful if it would have expanded, same with the USSR. Even Iraq was conquered for its oil or a fools men dream not sure about that one. And Tibet has to offer.... boedism. Well the daila lama has been expelled and traveling the world preaching the true boedism. Would he have done that if he was still in Tibet?

Good or bad? I dunno, personally i like the remark Gandalf made in lord of the rings:"even the wisest of man cannot see were all decisions lead to" (roughly captured from my memory)

Personally I do hope that all mankind will life in freedom, but i do think it is not in the nature of men to achieve this.

[Alboin]

And yet it is one of the most growing investment markets.

Under Stalin's Five Year Plane, the Soviet Union was one of the world's largest producers of heavy industry. In the mean time, however, millions of his people died, millions more were wrongfully imprisoned, and the standard of living was terrible.

I'd love to see what is actually happening inside China at the moment, that is, behind all the government propaganda that they seem to produce.

[lollynoob]

You folks need to stop worrying so damn much about other people's countries; as far as I know, no unfortunate Tibetans post on OSDev. People have always managed to find some way to suffer, so why bother worrying about it? I'm glad I'm not them and nothing more; as far as I'm concerned, thinking about the unfortunate lives of others only serves to spoil the fun of being fortunate.

Let's all just stop caring.

[pcmattman]

lollynoob: Any respect I had for you just vanished.

Back on the China earthquake, I wonder what the final toll will be (when they pull out all the dead bodies from under the rubble)...

[Zacariaz]

So, where is this heading?
Because people have done terrible things in the past does it then makes it right to do them again?
When a tsunami hit sometime tomorrow, killing a billion people, does it then not matter about the 12.000 Chinese people?
What is worse, killing a budhist or forcing him to ask permission to be reincarnated?

Personally I don't care much about dead/suffering people I don't know, it only makes me feel bad which accomplishes nothing.
I might try to help though.
"Treat others as you wish them to treat you."
If I were left with no place to live, no food, missing both my legs or whatever, I would certainly appreciate a little help, but I wouldn't want other people to feel bad because of it.

I other words: "If you loose a leg, I'll gladly carry you to the hospital, I'll even pay the bill if I can afford it, but don't expect me to feel sorry for you."
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@pcmatterman
All though lollynoob may not deserve your respect I advise you to reconsider your last statement. Nobody can carry the world on their shoulders and to be perfectly honest, I find that those "not caring" often are better persons and better of than those who does.

I remember the 9/11 incident very clearly, not because it was a most terrible thing which happened, but because it was very exciting. Now you may think that I'm a bad person, but I did not choose to find it exciting, however. you probably choose to watch the news every day which, whether you like it or not, is nothing but entertainment.
Sure, a long time ago when an occasional accident or killing involving very few people was a rare event, people did care and grieved for those involved, but now we see deaths and suffering everyday, 24/7. We have gotten used to it and while we illude our selves into thinking that we do care and occasionally satisfy our conciseness by donating a little money to a worthy course, it is still entertainment.
This is why I no longer have a television.

Nobody can expect of anybody to care for billions of people. Sure you should show a little respect, especially if deserved, but that is all.


Of course that's just my humble oppinion.

[rjying]

About Tibet:
I am a Chinese. Do you known the history of Tibet?
About 1959 ago, The Tibet is a slavery‘s world. The bondsman's owner can kill, trade his bondsman. And the Tibet's imperator is a Buddhism's pontifex.
There no freedom and democracy.
After 1959, the Chinese Communist rescued there bondsman, let them personal freedom, distribute them the field, which confiscate from the bondsman's owner. In the Tibet, a lot of bondsman or they offspring swing from the picture of Mao zhe dong in they room. They deem the Mao zhe dong is a god, Just like the Sakyamuni.

I accept, China is not a full freedom and democracy's country. But I think if a lot of people is neediness and less education. The freedom and democracy can't let them succeed.

So I think, In the China, The important task is let a lot of people rich and can accept more education. I think the freedom and democracy just success will come when conditions are ripe.
Thanks

[Solar]

You definitely have to look beyond your government's propaganda to find the truth...

If the Dalai Lama rule was so bad, and the Beijing rule is such a paradise, why are the people of Tibet revolting?

But this is completely OT. I feel for the people killed, injured, and made homeless in the earthquake. Just like I feel for people suffering anywhere.

@ lollynoob:

While we're honing our prejudices, should I take a guess at where you are from?