Ubuntu linux vs. Window Vista - they both suck!

Masterkiller · Post by **Masterkiller** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:11 pm

Best operating system has maximum hardware compability (support maximum number of devices and drivers). Changing the driver model of Windows XP in Vista make the OS weak (even that the first thing that makes it sux is the use of HUGE system resources). No linux system has reached the level of drivers of XP. So XP is the best OS ... for now

Brynet-Inc · Post by **Brynet-Inc** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:48 pm

Masterkiller wrote:Best operating system has maximum hardware compability (support maximum number of devices and drivers). Changing the driver model of Windows XP in Vista make the OS weak (even that the first thing that makes it sux is the use of HUGE system resources). No linux system has reached the level of drivers of XP. So XP is the best OS ... for now

That's not true, Linux for instance, supports more then a single architecture...

I use OpenBSD, 17 different platforms are supported, some may share the same CPU architecture - but typically have their own inventory of drivers.

Microsoft doesn't have to write drivers for Windows, most hardware manufacturers do that for them.

Put some thought into your posts in the future Masterkiller

piranha · Post by **piranha** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:22 pm

Who doesn't like GNOME?

I don't. I tried it, seriously. IMHO, I didn't like the terminal, and in KDE I can open the terminal to a specific folder, and I didn't have to change settings for that. GNOME, I would have to figure out. For me, KDE is better for OSdev.

Best operating system has maximum hardware compability (support maximum number of devices and drivers). Changing the driver model of Windows XP in Vista make the OS weak (even that the first thing that makes it sux is the use of HUGE system resources). No linux system has reached the level of drivers of XP. So XP is the best OS ... for now Smile

What if the OS supports every hardware ever but crashes every 15 min? Uhh.....great. My camera works, but I lost all my code.
Plus, all my devices I have ever used in Linux work anyway, with out downloading a driver. So, that good. To re-iterate Brynet-Inc's comment: TBYP (Think before you post).

-JL

Alboin · Post by **Alboin** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:52 pm

Masterkiller wrote:Best operating system has maximum hardware compability (support maximum number of devices and drivers). Changing the driver model of Windows XP in Vista make the OS weak (even that the first thing that makes it sux is the use of HUGE system resources). No linux system has reached the level of drivers of XP. So XP is the best OS ... for now

Uh, yeah, as already stated: Linux currently has more drivers and otherwise supported hardware than any other operating system in computing history.

IMHO, I didn't like the terminal, and in KDE I can open the terminal to a specific folder, and I didn't have to change settings for that. GNOME, I would have to figure out.

I had that same problem. It can be fixed with the nautilus-open-terminal plugin.

piranha · Post by **piranha** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:57 pm

Quote:
IMHO, I didn't like the terminal, and in KDE I can open the terminal to a specific folder, and I didn't have to change settings for that. GNOME, I would have to figure out.
I had that same problem. It can be fixed with the nautilus-open-terminal plugin.

AH, well, I didn't feel like looking, so I quickly switched back to KDE.

-JL

binutils · Post by **binutils** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:28 pm

Without DirectX, Microsoft OSes is Nothing.

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PS: normally, i am fine with my xterm.

nekros · Post by **nekros** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:28 pm

binutils wrote:Without DirectX, Microsoft OSes is Nothing.

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PS: normally, i am fine with my xterm.

This is beyond true dude, the only good use of M1(R0$0FT <(SWEAR!) is gaming, and windows is horribly slow.

Hangin10 · Post by **Hangin10** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:58 pm

Anyone have any experience with xfce? I recently switched to Ubuntu (from WinXP) on my laptop, and I was wondering how much of a memory usage difference it would make? I realize I could just do it and see, but I don't have a router yet, and I'd have to unplug the ethernet from this computer and use the laptop on the floor...

It's a Gateway model (whatever that means

), with 512Mb RAM and
~1GHz Celeron. I'm pretty new to Linux, but as far as I can tell it's using all the available RAM without me running anything and some swap space. I haven't tried using a smaller screen resolution yet though (just thought of it while typing this), as video takes several megs of system RAM.

binutils · Post by **binutils** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:20 pm

FYI,
http://www.xubuntu.org/

DeLi Linux stands for "Desktop Light" Linux.
http://delili.lens.hl-users.com/

wmii, dwm
http://www.suckless.org/wiki/wmii/

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PS: mine is default gnome from fedora 8, plan9port with hand-maden-xorg under LFS64

zaleschiemilgabriel · Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:44 am

Just to prove that Vista sucks:
I've got Virtual PC x64 running under Vista. I just ran some boot code that simply goes to PM and then executes this code to put a char in video memory:

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        use32
pmode:
        mov     bl, 1
        mov     byte [0B8000h + 79 * 2], bl  ; put a char at line 1, column 80
        and     [0B8000h + 79 * 2], byte 0Fh ; modify the char - this is where Virtual PC x64 messes up
        jmp     $                       ; hang

The result is completely different under Virtual PC x64 on Vista than the one I got under Virtual PC x32 under Windows XP. The code above should normally display ASCII character 0x01, which looks like a smiley face. But in Vista I get 0x10, which looks like an arrow pointing right... Weird!
I think I just found a reason why Virtual PC is not a very good testing platform...

UPDATE: If I change the code to this, it works:

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        use32
pmode:
        mov     bl, 1
        mov     byte [0B8000h + 79 * 2], bl  ; put a char at line 1, column 80
        mov     al, 01h
        and     [0B8000h + 79 * 2], al ; modify the char - this is where Virtual PC x64 messes up
        jmp     $                       ; hang

xyzzy · Post by **xyzzy** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:16 pm

Not that I'm saying that Vista doesn't suck, but what does that prove? How do you know it's not the fact that you're using x64 on Vista and x32 on XP? And even so, that's nothing to do with the OS, it's Virtual PC...

AJ · Post by AJ » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:19 pm

Just to prove that Vista sucks:
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Yup, that proves that vista sucks - VPC acts a bit differently...

jzgriffin · Post by **jzgriffin** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:25 pm

Why do people post flame bait?

Anyways, both OSes have their advantages. Vista has a lot of eye-candy built in, and, um, yeah. And Ubuntu is fast, free, and has free support, among its many other advantages (ie. great developer platform). 'Course, that's just Linux in general, but UbuntuForums deserves some credit.

p.s. VPC != Vista...
p.p.s. I use Debian, Ubuntu's dad

zaleschiemilgabriel · Post by **zaleschiemilgabriel** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:49 pm

I just thought this input might be useful to someone. Just so they don't spend half a day trying to figure out why their code doesn't work in Virtual PC under Visa x64...
Uhm... No flaming, but Ubuntu's development platform is not that good. Every time I tried to code something in Ubuntu I found myself lacking a good IDE. And even FASM's simple editor beats the bloated console-based editors in linux. And the editors that do have an interface don't even have configuration options for something as simple as changing the white background to black. Not to say that Visual Studio is any better.

inx · Post by **inx** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:00 pm

Funny, considering *n*x has always been the coder's haven. How hard have you looked for an editor you liked, and how much of a chance did you give an editor? Opening it, staring blankly, then closing it doesn't give you a good impression of what the editor can do. Either way, though, that's not Ubuntu, or even Linux's fault, that's just the software you installed. Distributions make things easy, but the included software is not *all* the software.