AI programming and Neural Networks, "good literature&qu

PyroMathic · Post by **PyroMathic** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:59 am

Hi,

I am currently bizy whit concepts like Neural Networks and AI-Programming.

Do any of u might know a good book on toppic's like "Neural Networks" and "AI programming". I would prefer a book which looks at these subjects from a programmers side, so also the theory but also things which directly have to do whit programming these things, so the more practicle side of the subject.

Any replies, comments are welcome.

Regards
PyroMathic

JamesM · Post by **JamesM** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:22 am

Google for 'Prolog'. Although it's not useful for neural nets, it's fantastic for inference-rule systems and for recursive searching (depth-first, breadth-first etc etc).

Zacariaz · Post by **Zacariaz** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:31 am

Do you by any chance know the name: "Jeff Hawkins" ?

If you havent allready, you should read his book "On Intelligense".
I actually have it in pdf, and even though, technically it is illigal, he has, himelf, said that he does not care whether people buy his book or not, he is only interested in them reading it.
In other words, we might be able to work something out.Other than that there is a few links you shold investigate:
Video (20 minutes talt about the conceopt, don't miss it!)
Software & Developer forums

I know i havent writen much information, but thats due to the fact that i have trouble explaining my self in english, and this is a simewhat complex subject.

Just PM me or email me (zacariaz at gmail dot com) if there is anything. I dont know much about the subject, but it is a great interest of mine so ill probably be able to help if there is something you cant find or dont understand.

Regards

PyroMathic · Post by **PyroMathic** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:44 am

lo,

thx for the replies.

Still gotta watch the vid but it sounds interesting and will sertenly try to get his book.

Am currently still a total beginner so think ill first start reading a couple of books on the subject, dont even know how to implement a thing like an AI for simple things. So ill start at that,

Prolog does seem to be interesting but think ill first need some info on general things like self-learning algorithme's.

Regards.
PyroMathic.

BTW: does any one else maybe know a good book on "Nearal Networks"? Since i think that eventually when building an AI u will need to build something like a neural network anyway..

Solar · Post by **Solar** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:36 am

PyroMathic wrote:Am currently still a total beginner so think ill first start reading a couple of books on the subject, dont even know how to implement a thing like an AI for simple things.

You have me confused. Do you have an actual purpose in mind for your AI that results in Neural Network being an actual requirement, or are you generally into the subject of "making a computer smart"? In the latter case, you might want to look into related subjects too, like Artificial Opponents or Agents.

PyroMathic · Post by **PyroMathic** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:11 am

Solar wrote:
PyroMathic wrote:Am currently still a total beginner so think ill first start reading a couple of books on the subject, dont even know how to implement a thing like an AI for simple things.
You have me confused. Do you have an actual purpose in mind for your AI that results in Neural Network being an actual requirement, or are you generally into the subject of "making a computer smart"? In the latter case, you might want to look into related subjects too, like Artificial Opponents or Agents.

I am mostly into making a pc which is smart. But currently i wish to look at it, from the side of Neural networks, so how could i achief an AI when i would use a "Neural Network" and how would i be capable to learn it something. Also will i try to look at other approache's to the problem, so other ways to learn a PC something, whitout the use of neural networks.

Regards
PyroMathic

Zacariaz · Post by **Zacariaz** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:26 am

start by whathing that video, i promise you wont regret it.

JamesM · Post by **JamesM** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:06 am

I heartily suggest you steer clear of Neural Networks until you have a more in-depth AI knowledge. They use EXTREMELY advanced maths in the training algorithms (good ones anyway) and proofs of homogenous neural networks (homogenous ones are ones with feedback between layers, so they can recognise inputs and pass an output when they see it again, like our memory).

I suggest you go for search trees and related algorithms, algo agents first.

Zacariaz · Post by **Zacariaz** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:38 am

So, hows is it going? I certainly would like to know, cause i dont understad any of it

and its so damn interesting

PyroMathic · Post by **PyroMathic** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:37 am

Zacariaz wrote:So, hows is it going? I certainly would like to know, cause i dont understad any of it and its so damn interesting

lo,

Still need to start reading, hoping i have a copy of the book later today, so i can finnally start reading. Did look a bit in the pdf (just dont like to read from the pc-screen).

Regards
PyroMathic