Dex is leaving, this forum

Bughunter · Post by **Bughunter** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:05 am

Dex wrote:I did not leave because i did not want to help fellow OS Dev's anymore, or i thought i was better than anyone on the forum, there a lots of talented programmers and lots of great OS in the making.
I still help in many other forums, but when you have helped 100 of people, and them the very same people, do not support you or write sarcastic s**t like that, months after i left.
At the same time your are offered lots of money, to code stuff for this or that Co, what would you do with your time ?.

I might have left too, but I would _NOT_ call myself better than anyone else. But I can quote many of your messages which I can make out of that you feel superior

EDIT: Sorry typo, of course I meant I wouldn't call myself better

os64dev · Post by **os64dev** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:05 am

@dex
Well i hope that you go for the cash, but you 'll have to keep in mind that still the help of other people will be a bit problematic. When money is concerned or bonusses people tend not to help to much because otherwise it will hurt their own moneyflow, such is life in compagnies.

For your views on Web OS, i haven't started pondering about the subject. But on the first glance i would be reluctant because you need an OS before you can access the Web or is a Web OS more an intergration of the web in the OS. which makes it a normal OS with aditional functionality. Or is the Web OS just a front end for a remote computer which can also be done via VPN or VNC.

So it's not that your views are not welcome its more that i have understanding the added value of a web OS.

@bughunter

I might have left too, but I would call myself better than anyone else. But I can quote many of your messages which I can make out of that you feel superior

It is not feeling superior but beeing sure of yourself. I am that way too, but i don't forget that sometimes a fresh look will reveal better solution. Look at the difference between Bresenham lines and run-sliced Bresenham.

Het is soms moeilijk bescheiden te blijven, maar wel noodzakelijk.

Bughunter · Post by **Bughunter** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:17 am

os64dev wrote: @bughunter
I might have left too, but I would call myself better than anyone else. But I can quote many of your messages which I can make out of that you feel superior
It is not feeling superior but beeing sure of yourself. I am that way too, but i don't forget that sometimes a fresh look will reveal better solution. Look at the difference between Bresenham lines and run-sliced Bresenham.

Het is soms moeilijk bescheiden te blijven, maar wel noodzakelijk.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean I was better, that was a typo

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:38 am

I might have left too, but I would call myself better than anyone else. But I can quote many of your messages which I can make out of that you feel superior

@bughunter, I would be very supprized if you could, as i have always had strong views on the way to do things, and that ASM is the best language, but that is differant than thinking your better than other coders or that coders who use any other language are not as talented, there are good and bad coders in all language and as long as they get the job done that all that matters.
I do windup C coders from time to time, but its just in fun, some of the best programs and OS's are coded in C, it's just not the language for me.

@os64dev, WebOS is the way things are heading, but this need not be a bad thing for OS Dev's, it could be a good thing, if you plan now.
You need to ask yourself what is the biggest problem facing hobby OS Dev's, its drivers. You need to some how get round this problem, so take loading a file as a example, to me the best way is to use FTP, it could be on the same pc, local network or internet, i could load a file from any file sys.

The way i see OS in the future, is that everthing will be based on a server/client.
Do not think that i am into flash or java, i hate stuff like that, trying to port stuff like that, to a hobby OS is a knightmare.

I would much rather use a local service, simple example, say you wanted to code a simple html calculator you can not do it without using java, but if you have a server that had many service including calculator, you could use this from anywhere, This sort of server would be much easier to port then flash or java if you want to run it local.

Bughunter · Post by **Bughunter** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:51 am

Dex wrote:
I might have left too, but I would _NOT_ call myself better than anyone else. But I can quote many of your messages which I can make out of that you feel superior
@bughunter, I would be very supprized if you could, as i have always had strong views on the way to do things, and that ASM is the best language, but that is differant than thinking your better than other coders or that coders who use any other language are not as talented, there are good and bad coders in all language and as long as they get the job done that all that matters.
I do windup C coders from time to time, but its just in fun, some of the best programs and OS's are coded in C, it's just not the language for me.

Well I think we had enough discussions about that on the forum in the past, let's not start a flame war. And by the way your quote is my old message with the big typo, if you read previous messages I meant I would _NOT_ call myself better than anyone else.

Maybe you don't either, then you've changed in a good way. But because of those "war" topics about assembly and your posts about your OS in topics were people didn't even ask about your OS, I had the strong thought that you wanted to show that you're the best. Maybe I had it wrong (together with other users here I guess)...

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:15 am

bughunter wrote: Maybe you don't either, then you've changed in a good way. But because of those "war" topics about assembly and your posts about your OS in topics were people didn't even ask about your OS, I had the strong thought that you wanted to show that you're the best. Maybe I had it wrong (together with other users here I guess)...

That's not thinking your better, thats promoting your OS, some people do it with linux or BSD, thats just part of a OS Dev's job.
But that seem to make some people insecure, i wonder why

pcmattman · Post by **pcmattman** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:59 am

bughunter wrote:
Dex wrote:I did not leave because i did not want to help fellow OS Dev's anymore, or i thought i was better than anyone on the forum, there a lots of talented programmers and lots of great OS in the making.
I still help in many other forums, but when you have helped 100 of people, and them the very same people, do not support you or write sarcastic s**t like that, months after i left.
At the same time your are offered lots of money, to code stuff for this or that Co, what would you do with your time ?.
I might have left too, but I would _NOT_ call myself better than anyone else. But I can quote many of your messages which I can make out of that you feel superior

EDIT: Sorry typo, of course I meant I wouldn't call myself better

I remember Dex running around with his VESA code, on multiple forums

That was back when you were called ASHLEY4, iirc.

I've seen Web OS's and I think they're pretty cool, but I always believe that there will still be a place for the desktop OS, even if I run a Web OS. In the least you need the browser

By the way, a typical Web OS is a mix of JavaScript, PHP or Perl (some server-side language) and remote resources. No Java, no Flash, although that is possible.

One of my friends is so pro-Flash that it gets frustrating. If I write a C program to do something, he tells me he could do it with half the effort in flash. Duh. But flash is interpreted, and not quite so easy to execute.

</rant>

Dex, I wish you good luck with your Web OS, and you could become even more influential if you wrote an OS specially built to run your Web OS.

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:52 am

Thanks pcmattman, I do admit to Dex spaming

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And your right about the OS needs to also work as a normal OS, eg: boot independently etc, i think most WebOS are made by coder's with no real low down knowledge, that's why Dev's here would do a better job, i am also not into OS's that only run in browser, but i want to use the new services in my OS, i think it will help OS dev's too.
Here's a example just today, of Co getting ready for the coming "services":
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/07/06/0439245.shtml

AJ · Post by AJ » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:06 am

Hi,

Is it possible with todays technoogy to do it as a network boot, the network boot loader being on the same server as the Web OS itself and (arguably) part of the same OS? That would be quite an interesting concept - no need at all for local storage.

Cheers,
Adam

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:00 am

Yes, i see it as a universal driver interface, think about something simple like a graphic file format, for now you need to code for all the file formats, but say there was a server which could decode and encode all the formats, this could be local or anywhere, your code send it a bmp and it returns a jpg, also if you need to decode a mp3 you could sent to your wireless mp3 player etc.

os64dev · Post by **os64dev** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:19 pm

Dex wrote:Yes, i see it as a universal driver interface, think about something simple like a graphic file format, for now you need to code for all the file formats, but say there was a server which could decode and encode all the formats, this could be local or anywhere, your code send it a bmp and it returns a jpg, also if you need to decode a mp3 you could sent to your wireless mp3 player etc.

Though this level of abstraction is really nice it is not any different from .NET. If somewhere on the world is a server with that service you can simple instanciate an object on that server and let it do it's thing and return the result. Still regarding to mp3 how do you play audio at a given point you need to address the hardware. So you need drivers etc.. I cannot stop the feeling that an Web OS is nothing more than a web-based / tcp-ip client server model similar to the terminals (ages ago).
The Web OS is just an ordinary os with the Web very much integrated but that is IMHO still application layer.

df · Post by df » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:22 pm

I dont know about this webos thing but I'll run your gp2x-os if it doesnt require re-flashing

by then we will all be on open2x kernels so hopefully it wont need much in reflashing if the new uboot is good.

summer is not a good time for coding tho. too nice outside. see you in winter!

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:00 am

Cool a follow gp2x owner, theres two ways to load it, one you need the modded bootloader that lets you boot a img from the SD card, by pressing "start" button or you can load it from linux off the SD, that than does a soft restart.

shevegen · Post by **shevegen** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:44 am

I dont so much think its a big of an issue whether its a "real" traditional OS or a WebOS. The terminology isnt that much a difference, advantages can be found everywhere. You may disagree to keep your WebOS term separate

but in reality there are plenty of people who already use "WebOS" as such, in terms of apps which are only remote, or dynamic content. Have you seen how quickly flickr or youtube rose? And some other stuff of course.

I do NOT believe in a "this world is WebOS" and "that world is old school OS"!

For me as a USER, i want a flexible OS. I want control. I want beauty in design. For example, I found GoboLinux layout much more convenient than the traditional FHS Linux slaves

(That was just one example for a feature of a "perfert OS")

A WebOS I would expect to be visually extremely easy and appealing, given the ease how to layout via CSS (another example. Anyone who used Gtk knows this isnt as much fun to fiddle with RC_Files...)

Alboin · Post by **Alboin** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:28 pm

shevegen wrote:A WebOS I would expect to be visually extremely easy and appealing, given the ease how to layout via CSS (another example. Anyone who used Gtk knows this isnt as much fun to fiddle with RC_Files...)

What's wrong with GTK? RC files? In GTK?

I've never had to use those, and I've used GTK quite a bit....