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[Pype.Clicker]

http://www.microsoft.com/careers/osdev/

there was a banner for this on top of the "Os Dev" ring ...

i couldn't resist in posting it here ... Feedbacks are welcome, flames not

[Solar]

My last two jobs involved holding together hopelessly patched-to-death code where dozens of predecessors applied what they thought was a good idea / coding style. You never have the time to set things right, you never even get the time to do at least the new things right, you just build code you know that it's rotten on a heap of other rotten code.

It makes me sick.

No way I'm going to apply there. (And it has nothing to do with unwillingness to relocate to the US, promise. )

[Tim]

Microsoft would be an interesting place to work. I visited their headquarters last year, and met quite a few developers.

Advantages:
-- The developers are very clever
-- You could end up working on some very cool code
-- They treat their employees very well
-- To me, Seattle/Redmond would be a fantastic area in which to live and work

Disadvantages:
-- Marketing and bureaucracy crap. "Everyone in the universe is going to develop in .NET from next week on".
-- It's a big company. I'd say you would get brainwashed into the corporate way of thinking -- but then you'd expect the same from any other medium-to-large company. After all, they pay you.

In any case, who else would give you a job as an OS developer?

[proxy]

I've interviewed with MS and too be honest the place is very impressive. Nice campus and seems like a cool place to be....

but I know some people who work for MS and frankly they are misserable. MS has a horrible habit of taking some of the most motivated and clever people i know and making them miserable by giving them grunt work to do.

One of my closest friends is absolutely miserable there. The team he is in completely destroyed all he desire to goto work.

If you are just trying to get a well paying job doing anything, then it's probably a good place, but if you require a job which keeps you happy, then I think it's a different story...

proxy

[Pype.Clicker]

In any case, who else would give you a job as an OS developer?

Apple ?

[Solar]

I'm about to be out-sourced to IBM. It's a painful, angst-ridden time. But: After some months in the company, maybe I can convince 'em that I could do more in their OS department than hacking away at banking databases...

PS: Behold my new avatar. After the pic of my "true" self went down with the rest of the Pro-POS website and Aragorn was already taken... I thought Angel would be nice.

[Chris Giese]

In any case, who else would give you a job as an OS developer?

You might enjoy writing software for embedded systems. It's often the same sort of 'low-level' code.

[mr. xsism]

there are actaully a good amount of COs that develop custom OSEs. Then there is Amiga, BE,SCO,Red Hat Slackware, IBM, MS, Apple, and countless others.

Pype, i'm kinda suprised you posted this. KJ and I recieved an email from the senior manager of marketing(a lady in her 40s) that emailed us, i believe before she emailed chase at osdev.org, about advertising. We were thinking about it, but they wanted a pretty big banner, as you can see.

Needless to say, KJ(osmaker) and I decided not to mainly because we are trying to keep osdever.net out of that arena. The goal ofthe site is to have a useful UI to lots of documents, datasheets, tutorials, and other resources; our goal is not to make money from ads and especially not MS.

I think MS would be the BEST place to work. You know the CO is stable, as Tim said it treats its employees well. WA state is a great place to be in the USA(for those willing to live in the USA and push aside igonrant thoughts). Plus, can you imagine the resume' that would make for you? Not bad I would guess.

mr. xsism

[Tim]

Right. It's harmless being anti-MS or anti-American, but if an American company (such as Microsoft) offered you a lot of money, I'm sure even the most principled OS developer would change their mind.

[Pype.Clicker]

i'm really not the kind to go to the USA ... wherever else but *not there*. That country really scares me ... but that's another point ...

I know there's a Microsoft Research Lab in England ... maybe i'll be working there in the future, maybe not. I really don't know ... if i ever work for a big corp, i'd like to be sure that i work there because they think my ideas could be used, not because they can afford to "buy" a possible challenger and let him get old in a desk ...

Moreover, MS OS is really not my cup of tea ... whenever i have to use it, it just makes me feel ... jailed ... d4rk s1d3, really, for me at least.

[darklife]

My last two jobs involved holding together hopelessly patched-to-death code where dozens of predecessors applied what they thought was a good idea / coding style. You never have the time to set things right, you never even get the time to do at least the new things right, you just build code you know that it's rotten on a heap of other rotten code.

It makes me sick.

No way I'm going to apply there. (And it has nothing to do with unwillingness to relocate to the US, promise. )

LOL, Maybe this is why there are so many that make shareware.

[darklife]

Right. It's harmless being anti-MS or anti-American, but if an American company (such as Microsoft) offered you a lot of money, I'm sure even the most principled OS developer would change their mind.

I wouldn't.
Like Linus Torvalds said- "Greed leads to no good". Isn't that what Microsoft is all about? Greed?
You couldn't pay me enough to work for them, but you wouldn't have to pay me anything to work against them. The world needs freedom. Microsoft is trying to take this from us. If they had it their way, there would be NO other OS, or game console, other.
If you want a paycheck but don't care how good your code is or how well the product is that's being sold, then go work for them. Even if you wanted to help them make better software do you think one man could help the millions working for them that slack?

[mr. xsism]

I wouldn't.
Like Linus Torvalds said- "Greed leads to no good". Isn't that what Microsoft is all about? Greed?
You couldn't pay me enough to work for them, but you wouldn't have to pay me anything to work against them. The world needs freedom. Microsoft is trying to take this from us. If they had it their way, there would be NO other OS, or game console, other.
If you want a paycheck but don't care how good your code is or how well the product is that's being sold, then go work for them. Even if you wanted to help them make better software do you think one man could help the millions working for them that slack?

Well put darklife. BTW, welcome to big tokyo Freedom is beautiful. Free is the ebst thing there is; but everything comes ata price. Like the timethat those thousands of programmers develop Linux. Where do you think a lot of the progress is made on the kernel? By people who are paid to do it. People need money to live--in society anyway.

But if anyone wants to help with a free OS, i need developers. I am at the point that i want to pick up speed with my OS; Halfix. You can check out how far i've gotten and my plans for it AT THE CORRECT URL :s LOL, sorry. I am only at thedebug level of tasking, but i have some good ideas that need to materialize viacode.

I am requesting experienced developers to join. please no beginners. if you are a beginner and would like to help you might be able to help with the GUI via themes and art.

Hope you guys might be interested as Iposted in alt.os.development too.

mr. xsism

[Candy]

I am at the point that i want to pick up speed with my OS; Halfix. You can check out how far i've gotten and my plans for it here. I am only at thedebug level of tasking, but i have some good ideas that need to materialize viacode.

at least type your url's right

http://www.osdever.net/halfix

[Tim]

Like Linus Torvalds said- "Greed leads to no good". Isn't that what Microsoft is all about? Greed?

They're about making money -- that is, they are about capitalism, and they're very successful capitalists. If you believe that capitalism and greed are bad, then fine. I only hope that you either change your mind, get money from charity, or find a commune before you starve.

PS: Microsoft's greed has made a lot of people very wealthy, and provides employment for tens of thousands of people across the world. I would not consider Bill Gates himself to be greedy; he makes some of the largest donations to charity in the world.