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I humbly appologize but it wasn't me who first - off-topically - mentioned text editors.

Just for the records.

But it reinforces the impression that not only the Emacs people consider their text editor to be an OS.

*growl* Text editor is text editor, nothing more nothing less. I canna stand products trying to be wittier than the user. They always get into ones way by doing any clever but unwanted stuff.

By what measures emacs is sometimes considered an OS I do not know for it still needs a file service to give it the files, a memory manager to give it the virtual memory, a scheduler to give it the cpu ... yeah, you know what I mean.

@solar: ego te absolvo. *rofl*

beyond infinity wrote: By what measures emacs is sometimes considered an OS I do not know for it still needs a file service to give it the files, a memory manager to give it the virtual memory, a scheduler to give it the cpu ... yeah, you know what I mean.

But you can download code, modify it, compile it, read Usenet or text-browse the web while you're waiting for the compiler, upload the modified code, write a book about it, write an e-mail about the book you wrote, and play a rather big number of silly games without ever leaving Emacs... isn't that what defines an OS?

[me=Solar]ducks and runs[/me]

*rofl* That's the vast things of tasks one can accomplish with an OS & aiding programs. Emacs in itself without assistance (tcp/IP stack et al) wouldna be able to do all that - well, but you are perfectly right, for the non-nitpickers, it would make an os.

* takes a bunch o' clubs and runs after Solar, shouting "UUUAAAAAAAARRRGGGHH"(coughcoughwherestheairgone) *

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=& ... ing+System

fun enough that some definition define the OS as "the most important program" while other define it as "a collection of programs ...".

i'd be tempted to say "remove your operating system and all other programs magically stop to work" (clearly, this definition excludes emacs from the list of potential OSes

Stephen wrote:

DruG5t0r3 wrote: I use Visual Basic 0.1

;D

How can you use VB for Osdev??

-Stephen

P.S. I use Visual C++ 6.0, but only for editing

I'm just kidding...I use Linux with kdevelop + bochs

DruG5t0r3 wrote: I use Linux with kdevelop + bochs

Don't use the reformatting feature of KDevelop. It's broken. It might make your object code change, and it does malformat in more than one circumstance.

And yes, I'm working on it. ;D

Shouldn't the definition of operating system be a system that operates something? This seems kind of obvious. Therefore as emacs is not a driver, but a full system that operates the handling of a variety of tasks such as internet, running scripts and of course writing. Emacs is also similar in that it can have drivers and things added to it to extend its range of possible operations.

Anyway back on topic I use the dev-cpp environment with djgpp in windows. All my makefile utilising directories use bachfiles such as rm.bat that I have written to wrap unix-specific commands to dos, making it compatible with both systems.

Linux, TWM++, bash, Vim - for programming and everyday usage.

Shouldn't the definition of operating system be a system that operates something? This seems kind of obvious.

that's not a definition, but a literal interpretation guess. almost any program can fit that description.

how about this: an operating system manages and provides an abstraction of computer's hardware resources, controls execution of programs and provides access to those resources.

emacs doesn't fit the "hardware" part. although, if you consider the internals of emacs to be a virtual computer.. nah, i'll just call it a bloated text editor..

Pype:

i'd be tempted to say "remove your operating system and all other programs magically stop to work"

-other operating systems are programs too, and they can live happily without your OS, complete with their programs. that might exclude OSes from the list of potential OSes (or from being programs), but make the power cable a candidate..
jk

I use GNU/Linux, and my distribution of choice is Gentoo.
I'm not an optimalization-junkie, but I like the flexibility and have settled on Gentoo.

I'm using KDE because I'm used to it and it has useful tools, and on my computer I don't notice any problems because of ?bloat?. People running minimalistic WMs, just to laugh at people running DEs are just stupid. (But not as stupid as people struggling with Slackware trying to be ?1337?.) On my laptop i run Fluxbox, it's too old to run KDE at usable speed.

Speaking of KDE-tools, my editor of choice is Kate. It has every feature I need, without the complexity of an IDE (IMHO they are too complex).
In CLI I'm using Nano. Pico was the editor I could understand when I started, then I discovered that Nano was about the same thing, only standalone, while Pico was part of the Pine-package. Later I discovered that Nano has advanced features like syntax highlighting and regex in searches, which some people think only editors like Vim and Emacs has.

Emacs is no different than a complex IDE, but it is merely an application... not an OS.

This seems to have wandered off topic but anway... The "official" (academic) definition for an Operating System is a central program(s) that manages and distributes access to the hardware to task(s) running on top of it. [Appoximately]

OScoder wrote: I use the dev-cpp environment with djgpp in windows.

same here