Virtual paging?

[bubach]

Hehe.. Nice one. Hmm, I can't find the order form, IP check..?

[JAAman]

or get an updated copy of the holy bible intel manuals

*cough* for AMD64, you might just want the AMD manuals.

why?
i find the intel manuals much easier to read! (plus the page numbering is easier to use)

i have both in hard-copy though AMD only started making manuals recently (before they simply pointed people to intels manuals -- and i wouldn't be surprised if they dropped them soon)

[Candy]

why?

Because Intel does not document AMD64.

i find the intel manuals much easier to read! (plus the page numbering is easier to use)

You find them much easier to read. I disagree completely. You cannot ensure that I'm the only one in the world to think that, so you shouldn't doubt my reason for telling others about the alternative. Your response would be like "Why not use windows? It works." in a reply to somebody hinting that you might want to use linux (or *bsd or anything else) for a server. Let the others make their own choice. They're smart enough.

i have both in hard-copy though AMD only started making manuals recently (before they simply pointed people to intels manuals -- and i wouldn't be surprised if they dropped them soon)

Recently? My hard copy is from september 2002 and I've had them in electronic form for at least a year before that.

[JAAman]

Because Intel does not document AMD64.

yes it does!
how old are your manuals? (x86-64 was added 4 versions ago)

or are you refering to something other than the 64bit extensions intel created to enhance the x86 platform (and were first seen comercially in the AMD opteron CPU)?

many people mistakenly believe that AMD created them (hence the name AMD64), because they brought it to market first -- dispite the fact that intel insiders have been talking about it since the late 1980's -- when AMD was just a IP holder (all real work -- both design and manufactoring, were outsourced)

[Candy]

Are you basing your story on what "Intel insiders" heard, without facts? If you have facts, could I please see one or more of them?

As far as I'm concerned, Intel created IA-64. AMD created AMD64. Intel explicitly denied ever planning on doing something like AMD64. Intel brings out EM64T which is very much like AMD64.

The Intel documents document EM64T plus IA-32. The AMD documents document AMD64 plus IA-32. If you want documentation for AMD64, don't go to Intel. If you want documentation for EM64T, don't go to AMD.

JAAman, if you feel any need to reply to this, please do so in private message(s). My email address is also public for use by anybody who feels the need to carry out any discussion about this. For this forum however, this has become a flamefest. Since the topic doesn't carry any more function, I'm closing it.