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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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Hi there. I was playing with it and changing to experiment and confused myself.

I've fixed things and this is the new read below. Some parts are correct but occasionally corrupt. But also, there are only around 9 sectors written, and the sector numbers are all 9F instead of goes from 1 to 16. And finally theres a bunch of filler data FF at the beginning and end which is wrong...

Can you see any patterns in this? I know that the 369 filler bytes go overboard at the end, and then it overwrites the beginning of the track as well. But the status register is clear after all this so it does not report errors.

0000 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................
0010 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................
0020 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................
0030 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................
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00C0 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................
00D0 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................
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0760 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 5D 30 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF .....]0.........
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0800 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 F5 E5 ................
0810 DF 75 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 00 00 .u..............
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08B0 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 5D 30 FF FF FF ...........]0...
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08D0 9F 00 E9 27 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 ...'............
08E0 00 00 00 00 00 FB E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 ................
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0950 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 E5 ................
0960 E5 E5 E5 F5 E5 E5 DD 31 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF .......1........
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:09 pmthe sector numbers are all 9F instead of goes from 1 to 16.
Is that because your code sets the sector number to 0x9F, or because there's something wrong with how the WD1770 is connected to your CPU?
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:09 pm0350 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF CB CB CB CB CB CB CB CB ................
This appears to be the middle of a sector full of 0xE5 bytes. It took the WD1770 a surprisingly long time to lock onto a valid data signal. Are you sure your drive is rotating at the correct speed when the WD1770 starts reading or writing the disk? Are you using the right type of disk? (HD disks will not work in SD/DD drives.) This seems too far into the track to be a write splice, but maybe check to see if your drive is producing appropriate index pulses.
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:09 pm0370 00 00 00 00 01 FF 00 00 9F 00 E9 27 FF FF FF FF ...........'....
Several of the sector IDs, including this one, appear to have some flipped bits. All of the sector IDs have the same CRC, so it looks like your disk just isn't holding the data correctly. Some of the sector data also has flipped bits. However...
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:09 pm0560 E5 E5 F5 E5 DF 75 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF .....u..........
...Some of the sector data has a completely different CRC. The WD1770 calculates this CRC automatically based on the data it writes to the disk, which means the WD1770 itself thinks it's writing different data than you expect. I don't know if that means there's still a problem with how it's interfaced to your CPU, some kind of analog issue like power sagging, or a faulty chip.
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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Octocontrabass wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:40 pm
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:09 pmthe sector numbers are all 9F instead of goes from 1 to 16.
Is that because your code sets the sector number to 0x9F, or because there's something wrong with how the WD1770 is connected to your CPU?
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:09 pm0350 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF CB CB CB CB CB CB CB CB ................
This appears to be the middle of a sector full of 0xE5 bytes. It took the WD1770 a surprisingly long time to lock onto a valid data signal. Are you sure your drive is rotating at the correct speed when the WD1770 starts reading or writing the disk? Are you using the right type of disk? (HD disks will not work in SD/DD drives.) This seems too far into the track to be a write splice, but maybe check to see if your drive is producing appropriate index pulses.
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:09 pm0370 00 00 00 00 01 FF 00 00 9F 00 E9 27 FF FF FF FF ...........'....
Several of the sector IDs, including this one, appear to have some flipped bits. All of the sector IDs have the same CRC, so it looks like your disk just isn't holding the data correctly. Some of the sector data also has flipped bits. However...
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:09 pm0560 E5 E5 F5 E5 DF 75 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF .....u..........
...Some of the sector data has a completely different CRC. The WD1770 calculates this CRC automatically based on the data it writes to the disk, which means the WD1770 itself thinks it's writing different data than you expect. I don't know if that means there's still a problem with how it's interfaced to your CPU, some kind of analog issue like power sagging, or a faulty chip.
I am using the drive in single density FM mode, but my disks are high density. Is this a problem? My drives are single sided drives, but they can write double density. I am using single density mode. The drive seems to be rotating normally...

Because of the fact that many times it writes the correct bytes, I don't think this is a problem of how I wired the chip. If that was so it would happen for pretty much every byte? It writes many bytes correctly. I am puzzled. I suspect my CPU is being too slow, so I will try optimizing the code to make it tighter. I am out of ideas. Does this chip need a decoupling capacitor 100%? Those bit flips are suspicious. I am not using decoupling as I've never had a situation of needing them and this chip is NMOS not TTL...
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:55 pmI am using the drive in single density FM mode, but my disks are high density. Is this a problem?
For 5.25" disks/drives, yes. A drive designed for SD/DD disks won't properly magnetize HD disks.
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:55 pmDoes this chip need a decoupling capacitor 100%? Those bit flips are suspicious. I am not using decoupling as I've never had a situation of needing them and this chip is NMOS not TTL...
If it's through-hole, maybe hook an oscilloscope to the power and ground pins. I don't know, I never got around to practicing analog electronics, I'm just guessing at what might help. But I had a suspicion about CPU speed when I read the first few posts of this thread, so... Actually, an oscilloscope on a data line could tell you whether the CPU is sending data fast enough. Just send alternate bytes; repeating 55 AA will toggle every data line.
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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Octocontrabass wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:28 pm
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:55 pmI am using the drive in single density FM mode, but my disks are high density. Is this a problem?
For 5.25" disks/drives, yes. A drive designed for SD/DD disks won't properly magnetize HD disks.
My drive can do both SD and DD. Does that also mean it cannot properly magnetize? Someone else told me there are no problems. Are you sure?
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:30 amMy drive can do both SD and DD. Does that also mean it cannot properly magnetize?
Yes. 5.25" HD disks require a much stronger electromagnet than 5.25" SD/DD disks.
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:30 amSomeone else told me there are no problems. Are you sure?
Were they talking about 3.5" disks? A 3.5" HD disk will usually work in a 3.5" DD drive.
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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Hey there.
I have an update.......... It feels like everyday I am 5% closer to getting it to work.

I decided to turn off one of the configuration bits that enables the "spinup sequence" for the drive. This bit makes the disc spin until 6 index pulses have passed by. I thought this would do no harm so I mostly left it on. But turning it off when I send the read track command, now I see the sectors where they should be!!
So leaving that bit on somehow is not compatible with this drive. I think the WD chip loses track of the index, or it starts the process middleway. But either way it fails with that ON.

Now I can get something that looks more like a correct track. But there are still errors in some of the bytes, and that I am still not sure why,,,

But here is an example track that is working better:

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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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Octocontrabass wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:56 pm
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:30 amMy drive can do both SD and DD. Does that also mean it cannot properly magnetize?
Yes. 5.25" HD disks require a much stronger electromagnet than 5.25" SD/DD disks.
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:30 amSomeone else told me there are no problems. Are you sure?
Were they talking about 3.5" disks? A 3.5" HD disk will usually work in a 3.5" DD drive.
I think 5.25"

But after some more research I realize you are right. Sorry about that.

I cannot however find any SD 5.25 disks. I can find some DD ones. ChatGPT says SD and DD were the same disks basically.
Do you confirm this?
I should really use DD disks instead then?

Because now I am managing to read a correct track but there are byte errors.... and I am wondering if it is because of what you said?
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:05 amI decided to turn off one of the configuration bits that enables the "spinup sequence" for the drive.
Setting that configuration bit disables the spinup sequence. It sounds like you were telling the WD1770 to read and write the disk without waiting for the drive to reach full speed!
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:03 pmChatGPT says
What's the point of asking fancy autocomplete if you don't know whether it gives you the right answer?
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:03 pmSD and DD were the same disks basically.
Do you confirm this?
There's no difference between SD and DD other than the data encoding. The disks are identical. The drives are identical.
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:03 pmI should really use DD disks instead then?
Yes.
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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Octocontrabass wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:17 pm
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:05 amI decided to turn off one of the configuration bits that enables the "spinup sequence" for the drive.
Setting that configuration bit disables the spinup sequence. It sounds like you were telling the WD1770 to read and write the disk without waiting for the drive to reach full speed!
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:03 pmChatGPT says
What's the point of asking fancy autocomplete if you don't know whether it gives you the right answer?
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:03 pmSD and DD were the same disks basically.
Do you confirm this?
There's no difference between SD and DD other than the data encoding. The disks are identical. The drives are identical.
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:03 pmI should really use DD disks instead then?
Yes.
On the datasheet it says that if the bit is 0, we enable the spin up sequence, and 1 disables it. I always had it as 0 for enabling it and that caused the corruption at the beginning of the track. Now is the datasheet wrong? Because after I disabled the spinup sequence, it worked.

It also seems that after I used DD disks, a lot of the corruption went away. So thank you so much for your advice on that. That made a lot of difference.
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:41 pmNow is the datasheet wrong? Because after I disabled the spinup sequence, it worked.
As far as I can tell, the datasheet is correct. I would guess the problem is that your drive is very old and doesn't work correctly anymore. It's just coincidence that the problem goes away if you don't wait for the spindle motor to reach full speed.
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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Octocontrabass wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:52 pm
AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:41 pmNow is the datasheet wrong? Because after I disabled the spinup sequence, it worked.
As far as I can tell, the datasheet is correct. I would guess the problem is that your drive is very old and doesn't work correctly anymore. It's just coincidence that the problem goes away if you don't wait for the spindle motor to reach full speed.
All 3 drives that i tested behaving in the exact same way though?
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Re: Problems formatting a 5.25" floppy...

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AnalogChipDesigner wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:21 pmAll 3 drives that i tested behaving in the exact same way though?
Well, I have no explanation for that! Do you have any way to measure how many index pulses occur between sending the command to the WD1770 and the first DRQ?
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