Yes that's right, But one man's practical is there's 100 of mp3 player's out there, And then there's Apple's (The ipod).
ASHLEY4.
whats needed in a new OS to make real big money
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TheUbu
RE:it never ceases to amaze me
Right but making an os to fit in as little space as possible is fine there isn't a real need to put it on a USB stick if the machine already has hard drive... Hell I put my OS with OpenBIOS in a 2mbit BIOS rom chip with gui.... so why not do something like that... ?
-Christopher
-Christopher
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ASHLEY4
RE:it never ceases to amaze me
The USB is not the ?, As it the next floppy, It's that it's portable.
Ask people to try your OS and if they after put it on the HD not many will try it, But ask them to try it from a floppy and most will.
If it takes 2-3 year's to make a OS, You should think what most people will have then,Not what most people have now.
You may say you could use a cd/dvd, But because they have moving parts they get damaged easy.
ASHLEY4.
Ask people to try your OS and if they after put it on the HD not many will try it, But ask them to try it from a floppy and most will.
If it takes 2-3 year's to make a OS, You should think what most people will have then,Not what most people have now.
You may say you could use a cd/dvd, But because they have moving parts they get damaged easy.
ASHLEY4.
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TheUbu
RE:it never ceases to amaze me
I guess it all comes down to your application and how you intend to spread it.. You are right about one things moving parts are bad, but there is nothing we can do about that. In the end all these differences of opinion come down to one thing a billion and 10 OS projects... Maybe one day people will start to come together on common ground I am they already have but the opensource world is way to unix centric right now.
-Christopher
-Christopher
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recordingegr
things to remember
pro audio recording professionals spend thousands on fancy recording consoles and preamps so a little bit of money on a slim OS with a great audio application that makes their lives easy will not phaze most pro's.
unfortunately noone vendor in the world offers this currently.
people buy problem solvers - not OS's. most audio people couldnt care whether its XOS or YOS or ZOS. they want solutions and no hassles. imho some of the small slim linux distros COULD be the next big thing with audio folks IF they are easy to use and install and include good workable pro audio apps. but this has yet to happen. the OS designer can facilitate this by making the OS as transparent as possible. in summary if i were designing a new OS i would focus on the audio application and hide the OS as far as possible.
you are right about too many OS projects. if some of these people came together and pooled resources it could become a market force.
i dont really care whether its a usb drive or something else. as long as i can take the device in my pocket and plug it in to a pc and boot the pc and be recording in no time flat without having to fiddle around. in windows for example one has to boot which takes TIME then click an application item then fiddle around setting the app up etc.
take a look at a good application like ardour sometimes. unforunately a large linux distro it looks like is needed. but the app looks great. also the linux distro plus the app i dont see fitting on a portable device.
unfortunately noone vendor in the world offers this currently.
people buy problem solvers - not OS's. most audio people couldnt care whether its XOS or YOS or ZOS. they want solutions and no hassles. imho some of the small slim linux distros COULD be the next big thing with audio folks IF they are easy to use and install and include good workable pro audio apps. but this has yet to happen. the OS designer can facilitate this by making the OS as transparent as possible. in summary if i were designing a new OS i would focus on the audio application and hide the OS as far as possible.
you are right about too many OS projects. if some of these people came together and pooled resources it could become a market force.
i dont really care whether its a usb drive or something else. as long as i can take the device in my pocket and plug it in to a pc and boot the pc and be recording in no time flat without having to fiddle around. in windows for example one has to boot which takes TIME then click an application item then fiddle around setting the app up etc.
take a look at a good application like ardour sometimes. unforunately a large linux distro it looks like is needed. but the app looks great. also the linux distro plus the app i dont see fitting on a portable device.
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ASHLEY4
RE:things to remember
Here is a another bad thing with XP etc. They give you a standard api which is ok for making a simple mp3 player. But if you want to make the best you can not because you have to use the api they give you and they keep the best for them self (eg: media player).
This is Y EU sued them (RealPlayer complained).
ASHLEY4.
This is Y EU sued them (RealPlayer complained).
ASHLEY4.
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recordingegr
one thing i'm glad of
i was just reading one of my wifes computer mags. it was talking about how many even small towns in europe and elsewhere are turning to linux with open office for office applications. there are several problems i think windows has which will cause it long term problems versus open source and others like linux.
1. the fact that technical people cant get inside the OS to do low level programming and customise it to their own organisations needs.
2. the fact that cash strapped governments if you follow linux installs
are turning to linux increasingly to save millions in licensing fees.
3. now that big money R and D from the likes of IBM and novell are investing in linux eg: suse ...will ,make for interesting competition to windows.
but i think they are all still missing it for the average home user.
look what atari accomplished with TOS in limited resources.
i think OS designers need to return to this thin OS thats light on computing resources. certain linux offerings like feather and fluxbox and other low
need window managers give me hope that some OS designers see the light.
Damn small linux is another example that one can fit into 50mb a pretty good OS. Most home users dont need an XP type product. they use only a fraction of functions. just basic things like email. i personally dont even bother with fancy office apps to doa letter to a relative. built in notepad is what i use.
I would encourage any developer like yourself to keep plugging away .
you never know - one day you might have a market.
the first developer that could let me record multitrack audio in a 20mb OS
including the multitrack application has my respect. technical friends of mine tell me it could be done using all assembler programming.
1. the fact that technical people cant get inside the OS to do low level programming and customise it to their own organisations needs.
2. the fact that cash strapped governments if you follow linux installs
are turning to linux increasingly to save millions in licensing fees.
3. now that big money R and D from the likes of IBM and novell are investing in linux eg: suse ...will ,make for interesting competition to windows.
but i think they are all still missing it for the average home user.
look what atari accomplished with TOS in limited resources.
i think OS designers need to return to this thin OS thats light on computing resources. certain linux offerings like feather and fluxbox and other low
need window managers give me hope that some OS designers see the light.
Damn small linux is another example that one can fit into 50mb a pretty good OS. Most home users dont need an XP type product. they use only a fraction of functions. just basic things like email. i personally dont even bother with fancy office apps to doa letter to a relative. built in notepad is what i use.
I would encourage any developer like yourself to keep plugging away .
you never know - one day you might have a market.
the first developer that could let me record multitrack audio in a 20mb OS
including the multitrack application has my respect. technical friends of mine tell me it could be done using all assembler programming.
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recordingegr
well OK but its a bit inelegant
what i want to get over to you folks is when i record a band at a concert there is a lot of things to lug to the gig. the fewer components the better.
and the smaller the better. those usb key drives are nice and small.
there is another issue. us pro recording guys when we are recording a band or orchestra at a live concert venue dont need the OS crashing. pro audio folks
are concerned with windows that a problem might occur on a live off the floor or venue recording that everything is lost if the OS crashes.
one of the reasons i want a smaller OS is hopefully the less code , the less possibility of crashes. artists are not too impressed wqhen a performance they just played is lost. i know its becoming rarer but OS's DO CRASH.
If someone could come up with a bulletproof OS , this would curry favour
with pro audio people. to summarise.
1. thin low resouece consuming OS - preferably in 20mb
2. doers not crash
3. user4 friendly gui.
4. does internet and basic office applications. nothing as fancy even as open office.
5. allows audio latencies of the order of 2 milliseconds. ie: recorded tracks
are not out of synch with previously recorded tracks.
basically what i want is something like nuendo or even the smaller krystal multitracker (run on windows) but using a small OS.
guess i'm dreaming.
and the smaller the better. those usb key drives are nice and small.
there is another issue. us pro recording guys when we are recording a band or orchestra at a live concert venue dont need the OS crashing. pro audio folks
are concerned with windows that a problem might occur on a live off the floor or venue recording that everything is lost if the OS crashes.
one of the reasons i want a smaller OS is hopefully the less code , the less possibility of crashes. artists are not too impressed wqhen a performance they just played is lost. i know its becoming rarer but OS's DO CRASH.
If someone could come up with a bulletproof OS , this would curry favour
with pro audio people. to summarise.
1. thin low resouece consuming OS - preferably in 20mb
2. doers not crash
3. user4 friendly gui.
4. does internet and basic office applications. nothing as fancy even as open office.
5. allows audio latencies of the order of 2 milliseconds. ie: recorded tracks
are not out of synch with previously recorded tracks.
basically what i want is something like nuendo or even the smaller krystal multitracker (run on windows) but using a small OS.
guess i'm dreaming.
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ASHLEY4
RE:well OK but its a bit inelegant
Have you tryed QNX demo, It fits on a 1.44 floppy has full gui, web browser etc.
You can not get it from QNX any more, But you cam get it here :
http://hostwork.com/matt/qnx/
Go to the bottom of page and click on "Modem" and try it.
Also try MenuetOs from here:
http://www.menuetos.org/
ASHLEY4.
You can not get it from QNX any more, But you cam get it here :
http://hostwork.com/matt/qnx/
Go to the bottom of page and click on "Modem" and try it.
Also try MenuetOs from here:
http://www.menuetos.org/
ASHLEY4.
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recordingegr
yes looked at those but heres problem( also a tech asm quest
no audio recording applications in either.
you know i see such a huge market out there i'm tempted to learn assembler myself ashley. i'm not exactly dumb having done programming in university but no asm. perhaps you might answer me a tech question as you do asm.
are there commands in asm to access the sound card ports for recording and playback of audio ? under windows there are api's for such needs. however due to the way windows works this can introduce latencies which have to be compensated for by the programmer. how is it done in asm ?
you know i'm tempted to learn asm as i figure there is a multimillion dollar market of frustrated pro audio users out in the world.
you know i see such a huge market out there i'm tempted to learn assembler myself ashley. i'm not exactly dumb having done programming in university but no asm. perhaps you might answer me a tech question as you do asm.
are there commands in asm to access the sound card ports for recording and playback of audio ? under windows there are api's for such needs. however due to the way windows works this can introduce latencies which have to be compensated for by the programmer. how is it done in asm ?
you know i'm tempted to learn asm as i figure there is a multimillion dollar market of frustrated pro audio users out in the world.
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TheUbu
RE:whats needed in a new OS to make real big money
Gandalf,
110k Not Bad I am in the mid 200 range...... Maybe I should start to make loadable modules
Either way the more usable you become the larger it will be. I doubt anyone could manage to much in 10k
BTW any good APIC docs?
-Christopher
110k Not Bad I am in the mid 200 range...... Maybe I should start to make loadable modules
Either way the more usable you become the larger it will be. I doubt anyone could manage to much in 10k BTW any good APIC docs?
-Christopher
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ASHLEY4
RE:whats needed in a new OS to make real big money
So what have you done in 200k ?
ASHLEY4.
ASHLEY4.
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ASHLEY4
RE:yes looked at those but heres problem( also a tech asm qu
You can do anything in asm, Thats possable on the PC,But there are differant soundcards that have differant port address.
So what works on one card will not work on another.
You get a information doc from the manufacturer of the card that should have all the info in eg: for the AC97 chip you would go here:
http://www.intel.com/labs/media/audio/index.htm#doc
You should have know problem picking up Assembly as it's very logical.
ASHLEY4.
So what works on one card will not work on another.
You get a information doc from the manufacturer of the card that should have all the info in eg: for the AC97 chip you would go here:
http://www.intel.com/labs/media/audio/index.htm#doc
You should have know problem picking up Assembly as it's very logical.
ASHLEY4.
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recordingegr
an example would help
wow thanks ashley. so are you saying you just issue an assembler command to read from the port ? its that easy ? an example might help as i'm an asm dummy.